Leopard devloper preview and Bootcamp?

[paulyras]

So.....

Anyone at the developer's conference try installing the leopard preview and run boot camp on it? I'm dying to try it (for lots of non-windows related reasons), but I'm a little gunshy.

Also, offtopic...

First impressions of Leopard?

[kirreip]

Me too, I am dying to try it. Oh, and by the way: if someone has leopard with all the drivers for XP, feel free to upload them somewhere and give us a link... ;-)

[bdj21ya]

I don't think Apple included them in this preview release, but I could be wrong.

[CaptainValor]

I would like to know a little bit more about Time Machine, personally. It seems like a killer improvement and a great no-hassle backup solution, but it must use a tremendous amount of HD space depending on how far back it keeps records. I mean, we're talking 1.5 to 2 times as much space as the drive you're backing up. And what if you have multiple hard drives? Does it back those up too?

I'd be wonderfully happy if it "just works", but I still want to know the details. If anyone out there has the Dev preview, please speak up. ;)

[kirreip]

I don't think Apple included them in this preview release, but I could be wrong.

I don't think that either, but who knows? (exept the ones who have this release...)

[epsonguy]

I may know early next week. Our guys are due back from WWDC on Monday.

[bdj21ya]

I think that by far the coolest feature of Leopard is the built-in remote desktop collaboration in iChat. Why will this be the coolest remote desktop solution to ever come out?

1. It is so seamlessly integrated into a program that a lot of Mac users are already running anyway (making it more likely that people will use it/know about it). This could be gold for working together on a project.

2. Rather than opening the remote desktop in a separate window, it makes use of Leopard's built-in virtual desktop system to make it as easy as using your local machine, AND hopefully making it possible to cut and paste just as though it were your local machine (one of the things I HATE about trying to use RDC for XP Pro)

3. It will allow Apple to dramatically improve their already stellar customer service. Every time I've called Apple support (twice) they've been really helpful and seem genuinely interested in helping me resolve things, but I've often just wished I could show them all that was going on, and even let them take control. Think about what you could save in support time!

4. It automatically launches an audio chat so you can collaborate without a phone or chat.

And yet, most people I've talked to don't even realize that this is going to be a part of Leopard. Probably because it was just a side note in Steve's presentation. I only realized it when I went to the Apple Leopard preview site and watched the iChat movie.

[Steve1496]

I don't believe the developer preview of Leopard currently has any improvements on Boot Camp. Of course this will obviously be greatly improved upon by Leopard's release. Hopefully we can get drivers for all the missing parts (IR, iSight, etc) completely finished. Then you've got the ultimate Dual-Boot Mac!

Steve

[d1g1ta7]

I would like to know a little bit more about Time Machine, personally. It seems like a killer improvement and a great no-hassle backup solution, but it must use a tremendous amount of HD space depending on how far back it keeps records. I mean, we're talking 1.5 to 2 times as much space as the drive you're backing up. And what if you have multiple hard drives? Does it back those up too?

I'd be wonderfully happy if it "just works", but I still want to know the details. If anyone out there has the Dev preview, please speak up. ;)

From what I've heard, Time Machine uses symbolic links. So it only keeps one copy of your files. However, if you browse the backup folder, you will see what looks like multiple copies of each file, one for every backup. But if you check the drive's free space, you will see that is not the case.

I'm not so sure, that's what one of my developer friends said. If its anything like .mac backup, it'll keep hundreds of copies.

[bdj21ya]

It would have to be storing all of the change data, which I think is unlikely if it's going to work for 3rd party file types in the finder. Even Apple wouldn't be able to program something to keep track of those changes accurately. The thing is, it will undoubtedly give you a preference pane to choose how much space you want to let it use and it will begin deleting the oldest things when that space is used up. Most people don't use most of their disk space, but they don't want to have to deal with making backups (and I mean they want to spend ZERO time on it, it doesn't matter how easy you make it). So, for the average user, it's a great solution to have such a maintenance free solution. In XP, there are what is called restore points. However, it feels really clunky because it's like you're restoring the whole system and it usually ends up screwing up something or slowing down your system chronically until you format and start all over. It sounds like Apple has come up with a far superior solution. Sometimes you change a file, thinking you're done with the way it used to be, but then something changes and you really need the info or format that you saved over. I've really got to hand it to Apple, I don't think there are too many useful innovations you can make to an OS these days, but this sounds like it will be one of them.

[elektricity]

10.5so far only includes the 1.02 beta available on apples bootcamp page. I expect this will be updated for the final.

A lot of 10.5 is still mainly tiger files with the extras such as time machine and spaces added in

[epsonguy]

He's right there is no update to bootcamp in the 10.5 preview