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thebalaa
18th March 2006, 12:46 AM
i used the dell driver someone posted in the driver section, this should work with radeon driver too.
then go to device manager. go in and disable both the VGA controller and the VGA adapter. there should be 2 things
i had to add a fake card, one from the intel list of driver included for xp.
when i restarted the system wouldnt boot so i hit g and enter and it started up
after ignoring some init 37's i think.
something like that.
http://coldfusion.art.msstate.edu/~balaa/miniworks.JPG
http://ftp.us.dell.com/video/R98241.EXE
this is the driver i used for the mini, i had to go pointing back and fourth between the c:\dell\drivers directory and c:\windows\system32
Bradleylicious
18th March 2006, 12:56 AM
Link us to what drive you used...and if it works... congrats... :P
Steve1496
18th March 2006, 01:21 AM
any sorta proof the drivers are actually being used? like 3d games or something, directx support?
This would be nice because many drivers report as installed but don't actually do anything. Then again, try playing 3D games on an Intel graphics card:o
cawaker
18th March 2006, 01:22 AM
any sorta proof the drivers are actually being used? like 3d games or something, directx support?
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 01:25 AM
downloading direct x now....
man you guys are some critics. just do it.
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 01:26 AM
what game should i try to play?
i dont own any :(. tell me a free one.
Zyk0tiK
18th March 2006, 01:27 AM
Yeah, show some proof, man. Urr... Hmm... does glxgears exist in windows?
cawaker
18th March 2006, 01:28 AM
This would be nice because many drivers report as installed but don't actually do anything. Then again, try playing 3D games on an Intel graphics card:o
Exactly, others have gotten the drivers installed for the x1600 so the devices are in the list but they arent actually being utilized.
keldegar
18th March 2006, 01:31 AM
can you go to display properties, advanced, adapter
and take a screen shot? I WANT TO SEE its not using VGASAVE.
i have gotten drivers to install just like it shows in yours -- but its still using VGASAVE
Backtothemac
18th March 2006, 01:34 AM
I think that the biggest problem is that the video roms will not support Direct X. That is what we are going to find to be true in the end.
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 01:37 AM
blah this is a waste of time
cawaker
18th March 2006, 01:50 AM
we are being doubtful because we have yet to see any real proof, and I am not able to test it out myelf yet.
if its true thats awesoem good job. but maybe take the screenshot keldegar requested. thatd convince me.
dailo
18th March 2006, 01:55 AM
lets see soem more screen shots!!
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 02:06 AM
ok whatever. good luck everyone.
CaptObvious
18th March 2006, 02:09 AM
You have 3Dmark on there, post a 3dmark score :P
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 02:22 AM
i'll be posting about it later.
keldegar
18th March 2006, 02:22 AM
holy shit that screenshot proves it works guys (at least on the mini)
what is the exact process you did??
RichP
18th March 2006, 02:23 AM
awesome, now go get a macbook or imac and figure THAT one out for us!
I assume you can tell right away the driver took, you dont have that very noticeable windows refresh that plagues the driver-free OS.
________
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Rusdude
18th March 2006, 02:34 AM
awesome, now go get a macbook or imac and figure THAT one out for us!
I assume you can tell right away the driver took, you dont have that very noticeable windows refresh that plagues the driver-free OS.
Well, it's been speculated (but not proved, AFAIK) that video drivers for Mac Mini will work. However, it's different for other Intel Macs, the reason being that mini uses a built-in Intel acceleration while others use dedicated ATI cards.
I'm optimistic, but I don't think this is going to be of much help in figuring out x1600 problems... :cool:
keldegar
18th March 2006, 02:48 AM
i just tried his method and it bricked my XP install
(macbook pro)
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 02:50 AM
is it giving you this?
http://coldfusion.art.msstate.edu/~balaa/1.JPG
then i hit "g" and enter it says:
http://coldfusion.art.msstate.edu/~balaa/2.jpg
then i hit "g" again
then it sits for a second and boots
http://coldfusion.art.msstate.edu/~balaa/3.jpg
Rusdude
18th March 2006, 02:51 AM
i just tried his method and it bricked my XP install
(macbook pro)
NO! NO! NO! :eek: THIS ONLY WORKS ON MAC MINI!!! Other models have ATI cards not built-in Intel graphics.
I think, OP should post that disclaimer in the title of the thread!
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 02:52 AM
is it giving you this?
http://coldfusion.art.msstate.edu/~balaa/1.jpg
then i hit "g" and enter it says:
http://coldfusion.art.msstate.edu/~balaa/2.jpg
then i hit "g" again
then it sits for a second and boots
http://coldfusion.art.msstate.edu/~balaa/3.jpg
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 02:54 AM
hahahahaha
keldegar
18th March 2006, 02:58 AM
nope, i get all of that before your int 13 error, mine has two more lines:
2000:something WRITE DHCHS (numbers) LBA (numbers)
2000:something WRITE DHCHS (numbers) LBA (numbers)
then it hard locks.
Safe mode hardlocks
Safe mode with VGA hardlocks
Last known good configuration hardlocks.
I'm gonna have to wait till have my slipstreamed XP CD to run System Recovery Console. I need to turn VGASAVE back on.
Rusdude
18th March 2006, 03:07 AM
nope, i get all of that before your int 13 error, mine has two more lines:
2000:something WRITE DHCHS (numbers) LBA (numbers)
2000:something WRITE DHCHS (numbers) LBA (numbers)
then it hard locks.
Safe mode hardlocks
Safe mode with VGA hardlocks
Last known good configuration hardlocks.
I'm gonna have to wait till have my slipstreamed XP CD to run System Recovery Console. I need to turn VGASAVE back on.
I hope you'll recover fine :) Not sure if you saw my post above, but OP's intructions work only for Mac Mini.
keldegar
18th March 2006, 03:14 AM
yeah i recovered once before.. i already tried turning the vgasave thing off lol
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 03:21 AM
see. actually this process should work for all models.
keldegar
18th March 2006, 03:21 AM
in recovery console u just gotta do this:
enable vgasave SERVICE_SYSTEM_START
jim
18th March 2006, 03:27 AM
To test 3d acceleration.. start -> run - > dxdiag
and do the direct 3d Tests.. with rotating cubes..
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 03:32 AM
http://coldfusion.art.msstate.edu/~balaa/directx.JPG
http://coldfusion.art.msstate.edu/~balaa/directx2.JPG
MulletMan13
18th March 2006, 03:36 AM
That seems legit enough....
Congrats? Now if only we were to find a fix for the iMac 17" :)
CaptObvious
18th March 2006, 03:37 AM
Don't suppose we could bug you for detailed step-by-step instructions could we?
dailo
18th March 2006, 03:39 AM
very nice balla.
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 03:45 AM
blah what was i thinknig
CaptObvious
18th March 2006, 03:47 AM
It would be easier for you to just post step-by-step instructions dude.
MulletMan13
18th March 2006, 03:49 AM
omFG PHoTOSHOpSZ!!!111oen
;)
Keep it up, hope that something similar works for the iMac and MBP
Rusdude
18th March 2006, 03:52 AM
see. actually this process should work for all models.
Why would installing drivers for Intel's built-in graphics accelerator (Mac Mini) work on other Intel Macs that have a dedicated card?
Do you mean to say that the similar method should work for x1600 drivers? If so, I'm pretty sure that it's been disproven at least for now, until someone puts together some special drivers.
On of the main issues here is that ATI's Intel Mac cards aren't identical to their PC counterparts (see Wiki). Whereas, the built-in Intel 945 graphics appear to be the same and thus can work under PC drivers (using the workaround that OP developed :) ).
At least, that's what I got from keeping up with this....
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 03:53 AM
the reason i never posted a howto is because i suck at writing instructions and communicating my thoughts effectively, plus im lazy
CaptObvious
18th March 2006, 03:57 AM
ok then. lets see someone else get it working on the mini.
peace
OK then, lets see you stop being a wanker and share the love.
"peace"
Snub_Fighter
18th March 2006, 03:58 AM
Can't believe someone would get so pissy, just cause they were asked for a set of directions...
I can see that they made you jump through hoops but still no reason to get so annoyed...
Rusdude
18th March 2006, 04:00 AM
ok then. lets see someone else get it working on the mini.
peace
Yeah, let's hope so :) The link to this thread has been posted on Wiki and I also linked this on Macrumors (they have a whole separate forum for this).
Maaij
18th March 2006, 04:01 AM
I want to test it with my MINI.
Cab you give me more info? Thanks :)
- Install the dell drivers
- Disable both video in device manager
- restart
- press 9 a few times
This should do it?
Maaij
18th March 2006, 04:05 AM
The dell software cant be installed. I think I have to install de intel drivers first?
Snub_Fighter
18th March 2006, 04:09 AM
maybe you should just try installing the drivers manually without the install - probably would work a lot easyer. Maybe.
Maaij
18th March 2006, 04:21 AM
Ok
Installed the display adapter. The controller cant be installed. Do I need a other driver for it?
sshjason
18th March 2006, 04:25 AM
Come on! You want to VNC to someones computer to show them how? Either A: You are just trying to hack someones computer, or B: your ego is much larger than your head. If what you say is true, someone else will figure it out and actually post instructions. Until balaa can post instructions, I would suggest that his comments can not be taken seriously, and by all means, do not give him your IP address for a VNC session!!!!!!! :eek: Also, he says that you need to hit a certain keys while booting. If this is true, how could he possibly use VNC to 'prove' to anyone that what he is saying is true?
ok then. lets see someone else get it working on the mini.
peace
Snub_Fighter
18th March 2006, 04:27 AM
haha installed the driver for the card, did the wrong one for the controller and haha booted up all with lines of funky color...
Eh if you look at the first post in this topic you use the chipset family for both :P
guess i should have paid more attention lol
the g enter thing is true no doubts there - even though i had the funky lines cause i installed the wrong selection from the driver inf im rather quite sure he did the right things..
whats the worst he can do huh.. brick windows you reinstall it lol.. so settle down already
Alright I believe I got it Ill let you all know in a bit if thats the case I will give you a run down on how to do it..
I'm having issues getting the controller installed...
DCGeoff
18th March 2006, 06:24 AM
Come on! You want to VNC to someones computer to show them how? Either A: You are just trying to hack someones computer, or B: your ego is much larger than your head. If what you say is true, someone else will figure it out and actually post instructions. Until balaa can post instructions, I would suggest that his comments can not be taken seriously, and by all means, do not give him your IP address for a VNC session!!!!!!! :eek: Also, he says that you need to hit a certain keys while booting. If this is true, how could he possibly use VNC to 'prove' to anyone that what he is saying is true?
Hey guys, let's test this thing out and work it through. We don't know each other and we all know how easy it is to misread someone else's text online. The OnMac contest, the Blanka/Narf solution and the subsequent collective effort to find working drivers are really impressive and not like much else that you see on the internet these days - we're witnessing and participating in something really cool. But we're not done figuring it out yet - not even close.
Now, it seems possible that Balaa has found a foothold into the most basic problem we're all up against - the video drivers. Without those, no one gets to play Counter-Strike, Call of Duty 2 or anything else. He's posted some preliminary information and a bunch of screen shots to show good faith and he'll undoubtedly post more when he gets a chance to breathe. Until then, let's work with what we know, try out whatever we can, and share anything that might be useful on the Wikis. There's no point in calling names - it's a waste of time and resources. Let's focus on beating on the driver problems, not each other, huh?
Ok, now I've exorcised my inner football coach. Back to work! Let's do this thing - I want to play Call of Duty 2! ;-)
DCG
robosport
18th March 2006, 06:29 AM
Balaa's "I'm taking my ball and going home" mentality didn't really kick in until someone asked the legit question about why he thought the same instructions would work on a computer with different hardware and different issues. I'd still like to hear an answer to that but I don't expect it will happen.
He was happy to benefit from Narf and Blanka's hard work but the instant defensive response and just plain silly VNC demand is sad given all the other teamwork constantly going on here. Nobody is attacking - just asking questions to try and understand what you are saying.
Keep up the great work everyone. Its a pleasure watching and helping this historic achievement come together.
robo
MulletMan13
18th March 2006, 06:38 AM
Yea, lets all put the hostility aside and skepticism aside and focus on getting this to work.
We miss you balaa ... come back :)
Snub_Fighter
18th March 2006, 06:43 AM
I got the drivers installed but the controller seems to cause the issues... I used a mix of the drivers he linked and the real ones to get them installed without it freezing how ever.. its now frozen at the black with white text screen just before boot...
i can give specifics if need be.. i didn't use the driver install programs i tryed to sneak them in the back door using widows driver install and using the search for the driver thing.. got me close...
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 07:05 AM
sorry guys i went to the movies..didnt mean to run out in a pissy fit.
Snub_Fighter
18th March 2006, 07:07 AM
welcome back
if u could be so kind and write out some instuctions for us that would be awsome, thax..
macmcmac
18th March 2006, 07:11 AM
I tried Baala's method, and just got 'driver won't start' in Windows, but it still started up with the default and seemed to run ok. Dell driver, and the Dell driver he linked to didn't have the 945GM as far as I could see ... fishy? bad link?
The Intel drivers installed, and bricked it. Darn.
Gonna check out the other forums and see how others are getting on. I had pretty much all the other hardware working.
kuchdawg
18th March 2006, 07:11 AM
I was wondering how did you add a fake card?
macmcmac
18th March 2006, 07:12 AM
I assumed he meant 'Add Hardware' in control panel, then do it all manually...
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 07:14 AM
i am going to recap what i did again.
1) i tried to install intel chipset driver (945G) but it froze during install,
the first time i did this i rebooted no problem, the second time I was kicked to some kind of shell -
i thought my install was bricked because it started giving a init statement, it didnt look like any kind of error. so i typed "g" and hit enter and it gave me the same thing again, i hit "g" and hit enter again and windows booted.
2)I had previosly installed a bogus video adapter using one of the intel ones provided by xp.
3) when windows booted, i went in and disabled VGA controller (not stopped), and did the same for the vga adapter.
4) windows found the 945G chipset and my monitor was detected.
i used the dell driver i mentioned earlier. thats the best ican do for now, ill be back later my girlfriend is bugging me to get off the computer
DCGeoff
18th March 2006, 07:14 AM
Glad you're back Balaa. Hope the movie was decent. (My friend said "V is for Vacuous"! Hope you liked it more.)
Outstanding questions at this point seem to be mainly two:
1) Were you able to successfully complete the rotating cube test referred to earlier in the thread to be sure that what you are seeing is relying on the graphics chip and not software?
2) If so, can you put together a step-by-step of what you did, what pieces you used, what screens you saw, what keys you hit, etc.? Posting something like that to the Wiki (http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Drivers) would be a huge help to the other Mini owners who aren't reading this thread.
Other guys: Jump in if I've left something out here.
ParanoX
18th March 2006, 07:21 AM
I was wondering how did you add a fake card?
Ok guys,
Calm down breath... again 3 times
Now
theBalaa, please take time to make a clear styled text with picture highlighted "where to look", step by step with links and whatever is needed to go trough this.
Please.
I see the thread exited and It's hard to follow for non-native english people.
:cool:
So take time and do not throw , "Download this", "hit that key" through X posts
Edit your first one and just post at the end of this thread an 'Updated' mark.
fiou, 'm sweating
Thanks for this incredible work (maybe You'll allow me to work back with architects : AutoCad stuff)
Fellow guy looking for a Mac mini Intel
Edit: seems you already put order in your story ;)
bhagiratha
18th March 2006, 07:30 AM
Does anyone have the problem that when you restart windows that it doesn't restart back to the windows login screen. each time I do a windows restart, it shuts down the mini and lives the windows blue screen. I have to manually turn on the mini and boot back into windows.
also i tried installing the dell video drivers, but it tell me that it is not compartible with my system. i did install tthe intel video drivers, but my display adapter and controller still shows the "yellow" mark via device manager.
is there a proper step by step installation procedure to get this going?
pureeville
18th March 2006, 08:09 AM
http://ftp.us.dell.com/video/R98241.EXE
this is the driver i used for the mini, i had to go pointing back and fourth between the c:\dell\drivers directory and c:\windows\system32
The dell drivers linked above do not contain the 945GM drivers that are shown in your Device Manager output. Drivers can be found at:
http://www.intel.com/design/intarch/software/driver/
Under the "Mobile Intel(r) 945GM Express Chipset" heading, for Windows XP.
Enjoy!
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 08:12 AM
i am going to do it again tomorrow morning. ill write howto as i do it.
bhagiratha
18th March 2006, 08:51 AM
I tried installing the Dell drivers, but windows keep asking me for this:
"Intel Graphics Media Accelerator Driver" cd
what the heck is going on or did I just mess-up my system.
ParanoX
18th March 2006, 09:15 AM
i am going to do it again tomorrow morning. ill write howto as i do it.
Great
I assume we all better wait untill then
btw, thebalaa, do you own a Mac mini Solo or Duo , I've heard there are some tricky differences regarding enablable fethure (maybe time to use some signature for every harwdare tested and feathure successfuly enabled)
arnoud
18th March 2006, 10:36 AM
Great
I assume we all better wait untill then
btw, thebalaa, do you own a Mac mini Solo or Duo , I've heard there are some tricky differences regarding enablable fethure (maybe time to use some signature for every harwdare tested and feathure successfuly enabled)
Based on the screenshots (which shows that Windows detects 2CPU's) it must be a Core Duo...
ParanoX
18th March 2006, 10:46 AM
Based on the screenshots (which shows that Windows detects 2CPU's) it must be a Core Duo...mm sorry, didn't slept...blah blah blah ;P
pureeville
18th March 2006, 05:41 PM
http://www.spoonhenge.com/aquamark3-mini.jpg
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 06:10 PM
some one figured it out. see the problem is..you guys don't know what you're doing. for instance. the guy who said he was asked for the Intel Graphics Acc. CD. this is when you point it to the c:\dell\drivers \ etc.. directory..then its going to need a windows file so you point it to c:\windows\system32...
go back and check all my posts the information is here..if you dont know how to do what im describing it its not my problem.
im bricking my system to write a step by step howto....
Bradleylicious
18th March 2006, 06:13 PM
some one figured it out. see the problem is..you guys don't know what you're doing. for instance. the guy who said he was asked for the Intel Graphics Acc. CD. this is when you point it to the c:\dell\drivers \ etc.. directory..then its going to need a windows file so you point it to c:\windows\system32...
go back and check all my posts the information is here..if you dont know how to do what im describing it its not my problem.
im bricking my system to write a step by step howto....
How is that comming...I mean how many times have your bricked... and after each, you doing full reinstalls?
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 06:45 PM
guys,
i think i figured out a quick fix...
disable vga contoller and vga adapter...
then this will install without hanging the system...
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/download.aspx?url=/10097/a08/win2k_xp141950.exe&agr=N&ProductID=2102&DwnldId=10097&strOSs=All&OSFullName=All+Operating+Systems&lang=eng
Bradleylicious
18th March 2006, 06:47 PM
guys,
i think i figured out a quick fix...
disable vga contoller and vga adapter...
then this will install without hanging the system...
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/download.aspx?url=/10097/a08/win2k_xp141950.exe&agr=N&ProductID=2102&DwnldId=10097&strOSs=All&OSFullName=All+Operating+Systems&lang=eng
Did you verify this worked? I will test in a half hour or so...
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 06:49 PM
i am about to repartition and reinstall...backing up my work...
you can wait on me if you want...ill post details as soon as i am up and running again,,
has anyone gotten audio to work on the mini... i installed the drivers but im not getting anything from the headphone jack...the red light comes on though...any ideas?
Bradleylicious
18th March 2006, 06:55 PM
i am about to repartition and reinstall...backing up my work...
you can wait on me if you want...ill post details as soon as i am up and running again,,
has anyone gotten audio to work on the mini... i installed the drivers but im not getting anything from the headphone jack...the red light comes on though...any ideas?
I thought I just read a thread about audio, but maybe it was on an iMac... I will get back to you on that one...Post your Success/Failure with the video Drivers...
samsdb0
18th March 2006, 06:56 PM
i just tried it...installs fine, but when you reboot, and go back into device manager and re-enable the display adapter...computer freezes
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 06:57 PM
while im doing a reinstall....
someone can call me on my office phone and i will walk them through installing the video drivers
662-325-5790
my name is buddy.
pureeville
18th March 2006, 07:01 PM
while im doing a reinstall....
someone can call me on my office phone and i will walk them through installing the video drivers
662-325-5790
my name is buddy.
Or join #winxponmac on irc.freenode.net like everyone else.
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 07:08 PM
well seeing as i will be installing xp on the only computer i have access to. no sorry.
im installing media center btw.
steffchen
18th March 2006, 07:51 PM
Hi, could anyone please run Civilization 4 and tell me if it's playable nicely? That game's the only reason for me to buy a mac right now.
Thanx a lot!
bhagiratha
18th March 2006, 07:53 PM
I also tried it...installs fine, but when you reboot, and go back into device manager and re-enable the display adapter...computer freezes. (same problem here). so I am gonna keep it disable until someone has a fix concerning the freezing issue.
also, does anyone have the problem of having windows not automatically restarting on it's own after an application request a restart. I have to manually shut down the mini and then let it boot back into windows.
Bradleylicious
18th March 2006, 08:06 PM
I also tried it...installs fine, but when you reboot, and go back into device manager and re-enable the display adapter...computer freezes. (same problem here). so I am gonna keep it disable until someone has a fix concerning the freezing issue.
also, does anyone have the problem of having windows not automatically restarting on it's own after an application request a restart. I have to manually shut down the mini and then let it boot back into windows.
I have the same rebootin issue, powering down does the same thing...
as for the drivers... is there a process for the install...and do you enable the devices before you reboot or after...?
bhagiratha
18th March 2006, 08:12 PM
the initial instruction says that you must disable the devices, then install the drivers, then reboot and I guess go back to the device manager and enable the devices again. that's when the system freezes up.
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 08:29 PM
make sure you are installing Mobile Intel 945GM Express Chipset Family.
jaw04005
18th March 2006, 08:38 PM
Use Pureeville's solution, but you MUST have your monitor connected via VGA not DVI. The following drivers do NOT work with DVI connections.
ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/9683/a08/win2k_xp14182.exe
DeathChill
18th March 2006, 08:49 PM
Use Pureeville's solution, but you MUST have your monitor connected via VGA not DVI. The following drivers do NOT work with DVI connections.
ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/9683/a08/win2k_xp14182.exe
Where is Pureeville's solution anyway?
So it's confirmed to work for more then the OP now? :O
thebalaa
18th March 2006, 08:50 PM
DVI works for me, it quit working when i switched from dell to intel's drivers.. i think
bhagiratha
18th March 2006, 09:16 PM
I was able to get one of the display adapters enable, (the second one in the list). whenever I try to enable the first one ... the system freezes.
Bradleylicious
18th March 2006, 11:26 PM
I just ran that exe and it breaked... so how did you guys go abou this?
inferno10
18th March 2006, 11:35 PM
Here's how I applied Pureeville's solution:
1) Right-click on each display driver in Device Manager
2) Choose Uninstall, and confirm the uninstall
3) Run the installer Pureeville recommended
4) Restart the Mini (you may have to restart the mini after windows loads again)
5) You will get the black screen, as the balaa said, so type 'g' and press return, then type 'g' again and press return
6) After a little wait, XP should boot, and you should have the video driver working!
I was going to try posting a screenshot from 3DMark, but I remembered you can't take screenshots of things going straight to video
mcfennek
19th March 2006, 12:03 AM
@inferno10: are you using dvi or vga? just don't wonna go throught the whole procedure of installing xp again (took me 2 days :()
settolo
19th March 2006, 12:05 AM
TIP (blackcrayon on OsX86) While testing video or any other kind of drivers that may prevent XP from booting the next time, you might find it useful to create a different hardware profile (or create several) using the Hardware Profiles under the System control panel. This way, you can have Windows give a selection of hardware profiles at boot time, and you can always select your "safe" hardware profile (as an alternative to last known good, etc), or you can save multiple profiles so you don't lose track during testing... (Note on wiki: This method does seem to work for me using xom on my macbook)
Bradleylicious
19th March 2006, 12:10 AM
TIP (blackcrayon on OsX86) While testing video or any other kind of drivers that may prevent XP from booting the next time, you might find it useful to create a different hardware profile (or create several) using the Hardware Profiles under the System control panel. This way, you can have Windows give a selection of hardware profiles at boot time, and you can always select your "safe" hardware profile (as an alternative to last known good, etc), or you can save multiple profiles so you don't lose track during testing... (Note on wiki: This method does seem to work for me using xom on my macbook)
That would sound good to me...so how do you boot different profiles...
ctdewberry
19th March 2006, 12:11 AM
inferno10...i would like to know too (vga or dvi). i have a dell 2405fpw (24" widescreen lcd) and it accepts dvi and vga inputs. so if that method is only for vga, then i can connect to my screen with a vga cord and the vga adapter that came with the mini and it will work?
inferno10
19th March 2006, 01:49 AM
inferno10...i would like to know too (vga or dvi). i have a dell 2405fpw (24" widescreen lcd) and it accepts dvi and vga inputs. so if that method is only for vga, then i can connect to my screen with a vga cord and the vga adapter that came with the mini and it will work?
Oddly enough, I'm actually using composite video. I don't have a monitor in this room, only a TV. My thinking is that the DVI-to-video adapter outputs VGA then converts to composite/s-video
Maaij
19th March 2006, 03:13 AM
I installed the drivers from Wiki.
HA is working. DVI isnt :(
Someone got DVI work on the Macmini. I wonder how it can be done :)
kuchdawg
19th March 2006, 05:40 AM
I think that the Dell drivers get DVI working...Because if you look at the Dell website the drivers that are being used now, the cards for them only have VGA, but the other Drivers (thebalaa gave) those graphics cards only had DVI (which is what the mini has) so i believe that if you switch the drivers you should have a working system.
thebalaa
19th March 2006, 05:47 AM
ok you need the dell driver and the intel driver
you are correct. let me give a revised recap.
1) disable both vga controllers
2) run dell driver install ...it might give an error.
3)go back to device manager and install each controller using the dell drivers, one at a time.
4)reboot. (at reboot the dell drivers will have uninstalled themselves)
5)install intel drivers (might freeze system)
6)reboot
5)when you boot into windows this time (it will say 945G express chipset etc) found..it will find 2.
6)this time, install using dell drivers....and point to c:\windows\system32 for the cpa file it asks for
thats it!
let me know what happens for you guys.
DVI should work.
I use the new xom.efi file. i dont have to do g - g - enter thing anymore either...
solarflare
19th March 2006, 10:05 AM
Should this work both on Mac mini Core Duo 1,66 GHz and 1,5 GHz Intel Core Solo, or just one of them? Which one was tested at this time?
inferno10
19th March 2006, 10:58 AM
Should this work both on Mac mini Core Duo 1,66 GHz and 1,5 GHz Intel Core Solo, or just one of them? Which one was tested at this time?
It should work with both the solo and duo models, as they share the same motherboard chipset and graphics chipset.
jlmodell
19th March 2006, 11:59 AM
Anyone have any success with this method? i don't want to brick my install again unless its confirmed...
Tu13erhead
19th March 2006, 02:35 PM
Doh - I think I just bricked mine. I followed the instructions to the T, but when I boot to Windows all I see is a jumbled mess.
Is there any way to get into safe mode?
EDIT: I'm on a Core Solo Mini.
chas0001
19th March 2006, 03:36 PM
I managed to get into safe mode by pressing F8 continually during the boot process.
bhagiratha
19th March 2006, 04:28 PM
I started following those instructions:
Video drivers for the Intel Mac mini using DVI
* Install Windows XP
* Install these drivers FIRST.
* Download the Dell drivers from here.
* Extract the files to your HDD
* Run setup.exe. It will tell you setup cant be done. Just press cancel.
* Go to system ---> hardware ----> device manager
* You will see 2 video device
* Click on the device ---> install drivers ---> choose no, not this time ---> choose install from a list (2nd option) ---> choose dont search--> click next --> choose display adapters ---> click on have disk ----> Go to the folder where you extracted the files ---> click on dell\win2000\ialmt5.inf ---> click on open ----> it will install the display drivers. Do the same with the other video device.
* Reboot your system
* WINXP will find a new video device just ignore it.
* Download the Intel software from here.
* Run setup. The system will freeze
* Restart
* Go to system --> harware --> device manager
* Click on the video device
* Install the Dell drivers (same way as above)
* At the end it will tell you it need a Intel.... file
* Click on browse ---> go to windows\system32 and click on igxpxa32.cpa
* The install will continue
* It will tell you it need a ... file
* Go back to the dell driver (dell\win2000\ialmt5.inf)
* Setup will ask again for the windows\system32 and click on igxpxa32.cpa file
* Do this till setup is completed
* Reboot your system
* Enjoy your Mac mini with DVI and hardware acc. =)
Special thanks to thebalaa for finding this out
But when I restated after the stage of installing the "Intel software" ... my poor mini frooze up at the black screen with white text, and my keyboard and mouse were NOT functional.
I tried manual shut downs a few times, and the same thing happens. Now windows does not boot back anymore.
any suggestions. all was going well until that restart after installing the Intel drivers.
I really hate to install windows from scratch again .... I have pretty much lost count.
HELP.
mr breaker
19th March 2006, 05:06 PM
ok you need the dell driver and the intel driver
you are correct. let me give a revised recap.
1) disable both vga controllers
2) run dell driver install ...it might give an error.
3)go back to device manager and install each controller using the dell drivers, one at a time.
4)reboot. (at reboot the dell drivers will have uninstalled themselves)
5)install intel drivers (might freeze system)
6)reboot
5)when you boot into windows this time (it will say 945G express chipset etc) found..it will find 2.
6)this time, install using dell drivers....and point to c:\windows\system32 for the cpa file it asks for
thats it!
let me know what happens for you guys.
DVI should work.
I use the new xom.efi file. i dont have to do g - g - enter thing anymore either...
Where is this new xom.efi file? I am using the original, and I am having to hit g - g - enter everytime I boot into XP.
Tu13erhead
19th March 2006, 05:07 PM
http://forum.onmac.net/showpost.php?p=871&postcount=7
That's the new xom.efi file, I think. It's the one designed for the Mini.
bhagiratha
19th March 2006, 05:16 PM
How can I verify that the xom.efi file is the latest version or designed for the mini.
bhagiratha
19th March 2006, 05:17 PM
that doesn't work for me. I cannot hit the "g -g -enter", cause my keyboard has somehow been disable soon after I restarted after install the intel drivers.
arnoud
19th March 2006, 05:30 PM
I started following those instructions:
Video drivers for the Intel Mac mini using DVI
* Install Windows XP
* Install these drivers FIRST.
* Download the Dell drivers from here.
* Extract the files to your HDD
* Run setup.exe. It will tell you setup cant be done. Just press cancel.
* Go to system ---> hardware ----> device manager
* You will see 2 video device
* Click on the device ---> install drivers ---> choose no, not this time ---> choose install from a list (2nd option) ---> choose dont search--> click next --> choose display adapters ---> click on have disk ----> Go to the folder where you extracted the files ---> click on dell\win2000\ialmt5.inf ---> click on open ----> it will install the display drivers. Do the same with the other video device.
* Reboot your system
I managed to get to this point, now my XP boots to a garbled and unuseable mess of pixels, nothing can be done with it :(
Another question: at this part of the walkthrough: click on open ----> it will install the display drivers. I get three options to choose from, I did select the bottom one (The Express chipset option), was that the correct one to install?
(mini with Apple Cinema Display HD 23" DVI)
bhagiratha
19th March 2006, 05:49 PM
keyboard and mouse freezes right at this last line:
2000: 063D: write DCHS (128:670:47:2) L1 @00030000, LBA 00A448B0
2000: 063D: write DCHS (128:670:47:2) L1 @00030000, LBA 00A448B0
northing happens after that last line
VaiOSX
19th March 2006, 05:51 PM
Doh - I think I just bricked mine. I followed the instructions to the T, but when I boot to Windows all I see is a jumbled mess.
Is there any way to get into safe mode?
EDIT: I'm on a Core Solo Mini.
I found a way to recover from this problem.
Start OS X, and open boot.ini (root of your windows partition) with textedit.
Add these command right after /fastdetect :
/BASEVIDEO /SAFEBOOT
Save and restart windows.
You can now uninstall the messy drivers. ;)
Tu13erhead
19th March 2006, 05:56 PM
Heh, wish I'd seen this before I reinstalled XP.
Thanks, though, that is helpful.
bhagiratha
19th March 2006, 06:18 PM
I tried that but the file is a "read only" file. OSX would not let me save the file.
Any other ideas. in the "get info" window, it has no options for changing the permissions of this file.
VaiOSX
19th March 2006, 06:21 PM
I tried that but the file is a "read only" file. OSX would not let me save the file.
Any other ideas. in the "get info" window, it has no options for changing the permissions of this file.
It is probably because your windows partition is NTFS formated, which is read only under OS X
bhagiratha
19th March 2006, 06:28 PM
So how do I change that?
thebalaa
19th March 2006, 06:40 PM
re-format it.... i'll be checking over my steps and posting my final howto today. has anyone been sucessful with the insturctions i provided?
bhagiratha
19th March 2006, 06:40 PM
Just came across this ... once I get the file downloaded, I will give it a try:
Windows XP Patch WITH DRIVERS!
From OnMac.net Wiki
Ok i just edited the Patch, here is what has been changed:
1. XOM video drivers removed
2. ATI Mobility Drivers added
3. Dell and Intel Video Drivers added
4. Wireless Driver added
5. Patched the Bluetooth
6. Added Sound that installes right after XP (automated)
7. Added Ethernet that installs right after XP (automated)
-Kuchdawg
[XOM.zip]
Comments:
* Doesn't work on 20" iMacs (only tested by reblessing the file). XP boots but display isn't working.
* In need of mirrors!
* Please give us some more info. Is this a working patch for getting display support on MBP?
deaddox
19th March 2006, 07:58 PM
To recover from the garbled screen you need to boot back in to OSX and and change the xom.efi file back to the original . re blessing it ect
Dox
dcist
19th March 2006, 11:40 PM
Hi all, I've managed to duplicate balaa's success (Both VGA and DVI working, BTW, huge props for getting it working!!!), here are some points that may help others clarify the instructions and do the same (note some of these steps may not be required, but it's what got it working on my Mini):
**All drivers are from the Wiki Page (the Dell set and the Intel sourced set)
**This install was on a duo mini, using the 0.1 version of the XOM files
** Sorry for no screen shots, I had no idea if this would work or not...maybe later this week i'll try.
1) After a completely fresh install of XP, prior to installing any of the other known drivers (chipset, ethernet, etc...) Open the Control Panel->System->DeviceManager. Note the list of yellowed out unidentifed devices. In this list are a few entries, including two VGA related ones. Note the others (non VGA) for step 3. Right Click->Unistall the two yellowed out VGA related display entries. Click Yes to the confirm dialogue.
2) Run the Dell driver installer. It quits after unarchiving.
3)Return to the Control Panel, System->DeviceManager. In the yellowed out unidentifed device listing are two "unknown" labeled devices. Right click each, click "Update Driver" and follow the previously documented procedure (from prior posts or the wiki) for manual specification of the driver location, pointing to the Dell installed driver location.
4)Reboot
5) Goto the device manager, note that the Displays section has two yellow exclaimationed (unable to start driver error) entries for the Dell "Intel(R) 82945G Express Chipset Family" drivers. Below, note the VGA entries are back in the yellowed out unidentified hardware section. Disable them (right click, disable).
6) Run the Intel Driver set installer
7) Note in the device manager, the disabled VGA entries are now disabled "Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset Family" driver sets in the display catagory. Note the naming differential of the Dell drivers vs. the Intel ones.
8) Reboot
9) Goto the device manager, and right click -> Enable the two Intel drivers "Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Family Chipset" drivers
10) Reboot
At this point both VGA and DVI should be working. I'm running on the DVI connection right now. The main display is at 1680x1050 resolution and the display properties point no longer to XOM as the adaptor but to the Intel 945 chipset. So I'm positive the real driver is being used. Alkthough DVI is a pretty good indication of that itself =)
I have a feeling the Dell driver part may not be necessary at all, the trick is getting the timing of the mapping from unistalled drivers to disabled to enabled. I'll probably try later this week to see if this can be simplified, but i've been reinstalling XP all weekend (as has most everyone on these forums) and need to ddo some real work sometime =).
bhagiratha
20th March 2006, 01:26 AM
I tried your directions, but got a few questions:
In step 3 you mentioned about "Right click each, click "Update Driver" and follow the previously documented procedure (from prior posts or the wiki) for manual specification of the driver location, pointing to the Dell installed driver location." when I point to the dell location (C:\dell\drivers\R98241\Win2000)the hardware update wizard says "cannot install this hardware, cannot find necessary software".
In step 7 you said "Note the naming differential of the Dell drivers vs. the Intel ones." - I never say the dell naming for the display adapters.
at this moment I am showing in the device manager under "Display adapters"
~ Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset Family (still shows a RED X)
~ Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset Family ( this one is enabled)
when I tried to enable the first one, the entire system freezes including my keyboard and mouse. I then have to do a force shut-down.
.... also in "Other devices", I still see the following:
Ethernet Controller
PCI Device
PCI Device
SM Bus Controller
Unknown device
Unknown device (all of which still have the yellow marks.
what should I do next? and thank you for sharing.
VaiOSX
20th March 2006, 01:27 AM
I found the solution !
You must install the Intel drivers with the new xom.efi (apple and windows logo off-screen at boot), and then reboot to OS X and re-bless the xom 0.1 efi.
reboot to XP, and voilÃÂ{censored} ! ;)
(i spend 3 hours figuring out why the procedure wasn't working for me in my case, because of the new xom.efi).
bhagiratha
20th March 2006, 01:54 AM
Are u kidding me! does that mean that I have to re-install xp all over again?
The intel driver you mentioning has this file name: win2k_xp141950.
where u I locate the "xom 0.1.efi" file?
JungleBoy
20th March 2006, 01:58 AM
Can some one confirm if the VGA output is working or not, and you that alredy made it work, what kind of mini you are using, Core duo ou Core Solo?
thanks
kollik
20th March 2006, 02:21 AM
Well I can install everything without using the Dell drivers, but the Intel drivers win2k_xp141950 freeze my machine at boot time (I've tried both with or without the Dell drivers).
I've tried the older version win2k_xp14182 :
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/detail_desc.aspx?strstate=live&productid=955&dwnldid=9683&agr=n&lang=eng&prdmap=955
These work fine, but just not in DVI. If I connect a monitor with a DVI to VGA cable I get hw acceleration and all. However connecting it to my Home Theater DVO iScan I don't get any signal. Note that with the original XP install I get it to display at 1280x720 but without hw acceleration.
To install the win2k_xp14182 drivers follow the following instructions:
a) Uninstall the two video controller drivers.
b) Reboot. You will get msg that new hw has been found, ignore them.
c) Install the win2k_xp14182 by launching the installer.
d) When promted, restart your computer.
e) everything should be fine (maybe you will need the "g, enter, g, enter" sequence at boot, but that's it. (I haven't figured out how to get rid of it.
Kollik
PS Has anybody figured out how to get restart working without having to manually power of and restart the Mac Mini?
Shutdown seems to work fine, but when I try just to Restart, XP says shutting down, and after a while the pilot lamp in front of the Mac ini turns off, but the screen remains frozen at the P shutdown msg.
VaiOSX
20th March 2006, 04:04 AM
Are u kidding me! does that mean that I have to re-install xp all over again?
The intel driver you mentioning has this file name: win2k_xp141950.
where u I locate the "xom 0.1.efi" file?
the xom.efi for the macmini is there > http://forum.onmac.net/showpost.php?p=871&postcount=7
you must install the intel previously mentioned in this thread.
then restart on OS X and bless the original xom.efi (that one which is included in the 0.1 zip archive, available here > http://download.onmac.net/ )
when you restart to windows, if your computer hang with messy graphic display, you must go back to OS X and edit the boot.ini (previously explained in page 11 of this thread)
there is no need to install the dell driver at all.
If you try to boot with the xom.efi for macmini and the intel's drivers installed, you will always get the messy corrupted display.
kollik
20th March 2006, 04:21 AM
the xom.efi for the macmini is there > http://forum.onmac.net/showpost.php?p=871&postcount=7
you must install the intel previously mentioned in this thread.
then restart on OS X and bless the original xom.efi (that one which is included in the 0.1 zip archive, available here > http://download.onmac.net/ )
when you restart to windows, if your computer hang with messy graphic display, you must go back to OS X and edit the boot.ini (previously explained in page 11 of this thread)
there is no need to install the dell driver at all.
If you try to boot with the xom.efi for macmini and the intel's drivers installed, you will always get the messy corrupted display.
Tried this but still hangsdng boot time indefinitely with this version of Intel drivers!!
How can you edit the boot.ini file in Mac OS X?
It is on an NFS partition which Mac OS can ONLY read and not write to...
VaiOSX
20th March 2006, 04:28 AM
Tried this but still hangsdng boot time indefinitely with this version of Intel drivers!!
How can you edit the boot.ini file in Mac OS X?
It is on an NFS partition which Mac OS can ONLY read and not write to...
You'll have to reinstall windows and reformat the partition in FAT32.
So later if you get stuck, for any reason, you'll be able to go back to OS X and edit the boot.ini
Sorry, but it's the only 100% sure and simplest way.
gsebastien
20th March 2006, 08:11 AM
Hello,
For me it doesn't work, freeze!
I think we have to split this threat in 2 part :
1) the one that have installed XP with the original xom 0.1 file
2) The other that has installed XP with the macmini xom file like me (Mac mini+dvi display 20")
For the part 2, I think that the xom file has to bi fix to support dvi 20", I tried all possible with the 2 different xom file. Doesn't work!
Can someone with macmini (XP installed with macmini xom file "because of freeze install at 0%) and a display dvi 20" confirm that he success to get the 3D acc to work, even if he swap the xom file after installed xp ?
I really think there is 2 different problem.
What do you think about this ?
How to join irc.freenode.net #winxponmac , in mirc, cannot find irc.freenode.net server. Thanks
arnoud
20th March 2006, 08:44 PM
9) Goto the device manager, and right click -> Enable the two Intel drivers "Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Family Chipset" drivers
All goes fine, until I do this. The moment I enable the top one of those two devices, XP freezes hard... :(
(1920x1200 23" Apple DVI on mini CoreDuo)
arnoud
20th March 2006, 10:21 PM
I found the solution !
You must install the Intel drivers with the new xom.efi (apple and windows logo off-screen at boot), and then reboot to OS X and re-bless the xom 0.1 efi.
reboot to XP, and voilÃÂ{censored} ! ;)
(i spend 3 hours figuring out why the procedure wasn't working for me in my case, because of the new xom.efi).
Sadly this didn't work for me either, each and every time I enable the top "Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset Family" WindowsXP locks up hard...
:(
Snub_Fighter
21st March 2006, 12:38 AM
well I got the drivers installed and everything working... took a bit but yeah, i did all the steps that were suggested on wiki, but im not sure if dvi works haven't hooked up any dvi yet.. im assuming so - you do need to switch to the orginal xom.efi to get it working right though, which is obviously going to cause some problems for reinstalling unless you rebless the xom.efi to the fixed one for the mini to install again... Hope you all have as much luck fiddling with things as i did...
bhagiratha
21st March 2006, 05:32 AM
Which installer are you referring to? I understood that I cannot use the dell drivers since I am connected via DVI. So does that mean that I must ONLY use the Intel drivers?
dcist
21st March 2006, 07:51 AM
I think i've re-figured out how I got the dell/intel source drivers to install.
Here's the process that worked for my mini from a complete reformat and repartion That is, starting from square one of the howto on the wiki.
I beleieve the trick is that one of the DLL's from the Inel installer hangs the system (if you install the Intel Divers without disabling the Video Controller entries, you'll see the installer hang on a particulatr DLL every time). However, once you install the dell drivers ontop of the intel install, you can enable the intel set without issue. Without doing this overlay, every time you enable the top of the pair of intel sourced device entries the system hangs. Thorough details follow:
System: Mac Mini 1.66 Duo/512mb/80gb/SD/GMA950/AP/BT
(Part No. MA206LL/A)
Note: Installation is done on the VGA connection till the stage in the below instructions note that I switched over to DVI once the drivers were installed.
xom.efi from version 0.1 (http://download.onmac.net/Winxponmac_0.1.zip)
Win XP SP 2 install disc
Follow the installation instructions exactly to every detail. (http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/HOWTO)
This time I recieved no install errors, and I recieved no text EFI bootloader
mmessages after selecting windows to boot from. Many of my prior attempts did see things like
2000:OE46: int 13_4B
2000:0F16: int 13_48
etc.
pop up on the screen beteen the grey background grey windows logo and the Win XP start screen.
This time there is none of that, and I can not explain why =(
Once XP Is installed, Install the known drivers for Enet, WiFi, Chipset, and Sound.
(http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Users/Drivers). Reboot as required (at least for the chipset drivers)
All are working on my mini, I have sound via the optical out.
I have no idea how to switch from Optical to Headphone output But optical works for me =)
Now start the Video Driver fun:
1) In the Control Panel -> System -> Hardware -> Device Manager
Under the "?-Other Devices" section
Disable the "Video Controler" and "Video Controller (Vga Compatible)"
entries
(either right click ->disable, or click the disable icon
in the tool bar once one is selected)
2) Reboot (i.e. shutdown, and manually hold in the power button for 5 sec once the
mouse freeezes and the power lite is out)
3) Run the Intel sourced drivers from (http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Mac_Mini_DVI)
installer (win2k_xp141950.exe).
The install process should not freeze as the target entries in the Device Manager
are disabled.
4) Reboot
5) Extract the Dell sourced drivers from (http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Mac_Mini_DVI)
installer (R98241.exe)
to a folder of your choice via winZip
(thanks for the reminder on this pesos)
This example uses c:\dell\drivers\R92841
6) Manually install the dell drivers on the two remaining "unknown devices"
in the Device Manager's "?-Other Devices" section.
This involves right click ->"Update Driver",
In the popup Hardware Update Wizard click "No not at this time" then next
"Install from a list or specific location (Advanced)" then next
"Don't search....." then next
"Have Disk..." then next
browse to c:\dell\drivers\R92841\Win2000\ialmnt5.inf, click open.
Click "OK" now that the "Install From Disk" dialogue has the above path in the
"Copy manufacturer's files from:" box.
Select the "Intel(R) 82945G Express Chipset Family" model, then next.
Click "Yes" to thew warning dialogue
Drivers install. They now apear in the Display section of the Device Manager,
with Exclamations (device unable to start)
7) Reboot
8) Disable the "Intel(R) 82945G Express Chipset Family" entries in the Device
Manager's Display section
9) Reboot
10) Enable the "Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset Family" entries in the Device
Manager's Display section,
STARTING WITH THE BOTTOM ONE OF THE PAIR. (not sure wheather this is important,
but as the top one always hung the system in my multitudes of test prior to getting
this to work again, I always stated with the bottom one)
11) Reboot
12) Unistall the "Intel(R) 82945G Express Chipset Family" in the device manager
by right click->unistall
13) Reboot AT THIS POINT DVI IS WORKING (it may work at one of the prior stagesm but this
is when I switched rom VGA to DVI)
14) Disable the two "Unknown Device" entries in the device manager's "?-Other Devices"
section to not be pestered by the "found new hardware" dialogues at every boot.
bhagiratha
21st March 2006, 08:41 AM
I just tried the installation posted by VaiOSX. Not sure it is a success as yet, since I haven't restarted windows. I decided to post on pics first.
I notice there is still some problems. My monitor (a dell 2405fpw 24") hasn't been found.
maybe it's time i restarted. wish me luck!!!
p.s I saw that the pics are crap... will try again. am using MWSnap, so it's a bit difficult to get the right size to upload to this site.
I am gonna put the pics at this site:
http://homepage.mac.com/bhagiratha/xp_on_mini/PhotoAlbum27.html
Update: 03/21
A few minutes ago .... I got bluetooth working on my intel mini. A view of the Device Manager can be seen via the link above.
aimbuster
21st March 2006, 09:22 AM
Following dcist's instructions worked for me. Graphics acceleration is enabled. Moving windows around is snappier. I'm going to QuickTime.com and start playing around with some trailers to see how this mini (core solo) handle HD 720, 1080. I didn't start from scratch either. I already had drivers installed (ethernet, wireless, chipset, sound) prior to installing the video drivers. I'm using a 20" Dell widescreen DVI.
pesos
21st March 2006, 10:11 AM
dcist's instructions worked great on my mac mini solo. just one anal note - you can unzip the dell drivers using winzip to the folder of your choice -- that way you don't have to run it, wait for it to fail, and have it clutter up your C drive's root...
-Wes
calvin42hobbes
21st March 2006, 11:37 AM
I also successfully tried out dcist's method to get xp displayed through dvi. The good news is that I initially got my Mac Mini Solo's dvi output to display on my Samsung 193P @ 1280x1024. :)
At this point I ran dxdiag to check the dvi installation. I tried the dxdiag when I was still connected to my vga monitor (prior to connecting to dvi), right after completing dcist's instructions. All the DirectDraw & Direct3D tests ran successfully while connected through vga.
However, dxdiag tests under dvi connection had problems. :( DirectDraw tests out ok until I got to the third part, the fullscreen bounce. Nothing showed up on my screen where there is supposed to be that bouncing white square. Futhermore, my setup failed all three parts of the Direct3D test. Again, I only got a blank screen where there was supposed to be that spinning cube.
I loaded up the only game I had on hand at the time, Rollercoaster Tycoon 3, to check this problem. I got only a blank screen through the dvi connection.
It seems like the video driver has problems with certain fullscreen dvi display on my setup. Can anyone else can confirm this issue?
mcfennek
21st March 2006, 12:09 PM
it seems that we finally have some really good instructions ;-)
The one thing I'm concerned about is that dcist mentioned:
"Note: Installation is done on the VGA connection till the stage in the below instructions note that I switched over to DVI once the drivers were installed."
I do not have a VGA monitor here - has anybody tried his instruction with dvi only?
VaiOSX
21st March 2006, 12:15 PM
Sorry, just a little off-topic, but i'm now working on a solution for getting audio output to analogue...
i'll keep you informed asap. ;)
gsebastien
21st March 2006, 02:16 PM
Please can all the people who has tried the dcist solution give us more details of their hardware. Screen dvi/vga ??
Thank you
arnoud
21st March 2006, 02:57 PM
I have tried the instructions from dcist, and so far, on VGA (AppleVision 750 with VGA->Mac adapter + DVI -> VGA adapter) it is working... Tonight more testing on 23" Cinema Display with DVI...
jlmodell
21st March 2006, 03:27 PM
i also have problems with full screen games using dvi.. they work fine with vga.
i assumed everything was working fine in dvi b/c the windows were all snappy, however, i still cannnot play games using it. i am fine with switching to my vga cable when i want to play a game though... i feel i've reinstalled everything far too many times at this point and if it works, i don't want to be greedy. Lol
thanks for the instructions!
dcist
21st March 2006, 04:00 PM
I have to agree with the "sick of reinstalling" part. Ihaven't tested any games or run dxdiag yet, but I will not be surprised that DVI may have issues as we are coress breeding two different driver sets. I think we may need to keep looking for another complete driverset version that doesn't require all this jumping through hoops.
PS: My screen was a Dell 2005fpw, so switching VGA/DVI was not a issue. Sorry for those that only have access to a DVI connection on ther screen--I'm not sure how the install goes if done purely over the DVI.
Maaij
21st March 2006, 05:52 PM
Same problem here. I can run DVI fine BUT only at 1280x1024 (17" TFT)
If I change the resolution in XP. My screen will become black. I tried 640x480, 1024x786. All benchmark will become black screen because using a different resolution. Looks like the drivers only support 1280x1024?
Anyone can confirm this? Is there someone using DVI with other resolution?
I can switch between DVI/VGA but its not a good solution. Hopefully someone will solve this problem.
Maaij
21st March 2006, 06:02 PM
I'm at the dell 2005fpw's native res of 1680x1050, using DVI. I have not tried switching resolutions yet. Will post later tonight when I get the chance.
Ok Looks like the drivers only work with the native resolution of the screen.
dcist
21st March 2006, 06:02 PM
I'm at the dell 2005fpw's native res of 1680x1050, using DVI. I have not tried switching resolutions yet. Will post later tonight when I get the chance.
arnoud
21st March 2006, 07:29 PM
Ok, I got it working on the DVI connection as well. Had a bit of a problem because XP started up in the wrong resolution causing the Cinema Display to blank out.
I had to resort to the addition of the /SAFEBOOT /BASEVIDEO switches to the boot.ini file to get a picture and set the correct resolution for my display (1920x1200x60Hz).
The next reboot all is well, and I have nicely fast video and the diagnostic of the Intel drivers produce the following:
INTEL(R) EXTREME GRAPHICS REPORT
Report Date: 03/21/2006
Report Time[hr:mm:ss]: 18:05:09
Driver Version: Not Available
Operating System: Windows XP* Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600)
Default Language: English
DirectX* Version: 9.0
Physical Memory: 1994 MB
Minimum Graphics Memory: 16 MB
Maximum Graphics Memory: 96 MB
Graphics Memory in Use: 13 MB
Processor: x86 family 6 Model 14 Stepping 8
Processor Speed: 1666 MHZ
Vendor ID: 8086
Device ID: 27A2
Device Revision: 03
* Accelerator Information *
Accelerator in Use: Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset Family
Video BIOS: Not Available
Current Graphics Mode: 1920 by 1200 True Color (60 Hz)
* Devices Connected to the Graphics Accelerator *
Active Monitors: 1
* Monitor *
Monitor Name: Plug and Play Monitor
Display Type: Digital
Gamma Value: 2.20
DDC2 Protocol: Supported
Maximum Image Size: Horizontal: 19.2 inches
Vertical: 12.2 inches
Monitor Supported Modes:
1920 by 1200 (59 Hz)
1920 by 1920 (60 Hz)
Display Power Management Support:
Standby Mode: Not Supported
Suspend Mode: Not Supported
Active Off Mode: Supported
The only strange part is the supported video mode of "1920x1920"?? :)
But I would say this also means that games that switch the video resolution will probably fail?
Maaij
21st March 2006, 08:00 PM
Just try to change the resolution in XP.
arnoud
21st March 2006, 08:04 PM
Just try to change the resolution in XP.
Nope, any resolution other than 1920x1200 produces a black screen with a blinking LED: out of sync...
Maaij
21st March 2006, 08:25 PM
Nope, any resolution other than 1920x1200 produces a black screen with a blinking LED: out of sync...Looks like only the native resolution is supported.
dgranda
22nd March 2006, 03:49 AM
Another success following dcist's instructions. I have DVI and I'm able to change screen resolutions. It looks like everything up to 1600x1200 is available (which is the native res of the dell 2001fp).
The first time I followed dcist's instructions it didn't work. I got the dreaded freeze when enabling the top 945GM device. I re-installed everything and the only thing I did differently, I think, was disable the unknown devices at the same time as disabling the VGA adapter. This is the step right before unpacking the Intel drivers.
VaiOSX
22nd March 2006, 05:56 AM
Here is the Cinebench 9.5 result for the Mini core Duo.
As you can see the Core duo is better handled by OSX.
Hardware OpenGL routines really need optimizations on OSX.
gsebastien
22nd March 2006, 07:09 PM
I have tried the dcist instruction on my macmini core duo+ dvi display apple 20". I installed all with a vga screen. It was no problem.
When I switched to the 20" dvi screen, xp run, I can hear the intro music but the screen seems to be out of sync.
What can I do ???
Thanks
piastek
22nd March 2006, 07:26 PM
Hi,
Just finished VGA part yesterday at 3AM. I almost gave up when after enabling 945G drivers my screen went black after restart. Then I tried F5 and F8 few times (don't really know when is the right moment to press this keys and which one actually worked) and got into safe mode. Disabled drivers, installed VNC server, enabled drivers and restart. Again black screen. Tried to connect via VNC from other comp. Success and obvious reason for blank screen - resolution above 2000, switched to 1280x1024 (arbitrary, it seems that it just has to be less than max resolution for display) and my desktop is back again. Tried to restart few times with different resolutions - still working. Today I will try to connect via DVI to my Sony TV (HDMI input via DVI-HDMI cable) and will see. I hope it will work as I would like to use mini to watch HDTV. Tried few HDTV films (via VGA) using VLC - very good. Run dxdiag - all test passed. Of course tht's VGA.
Some questions, why there are two screens in Display properties, why two devices in Device manager. Is that because of video mirroring or this card actually has two outputs (DVI and VGA) internally and they are just somehow connected to one DVI?
Anyone has one lonely PCI device left in Other? What could it be - Bluetooth (not enabled yet)
I had ald Apple USB speakers connected from the beggining. It worked for some times and suddenly stoped - any advice. Seems that everything is ok in audio properties and Device Manager, as well working under OSX.
Still not removed those other drivers, just disabled. Any good reason to really do that?
Piotr
VaiOSX
22nd March 2006, 08:25 PM
The reason is simple :
GMA950 chipset has dual display feature.
Apple disabled it in its driver because Mac mini has just one Video plug.
It could be possible (with a hardware hack) to get a second screen :P
piastek
22nd March 2006, 10:41 PM
Ye, I expected something like that :D
No luck with DVI, first of all after connecting via DVI I've got g enter, g enter case for the first time. Nothing like that when I was connected via VGA (even after few reboots). Second only 720x480 working, any other res is getting black screen. Now even after reconnecting via VGA still g,g situation (but all res are working without problem). Maybe reason is that I am connecting via DVI-HDMI cable to my TV. Anyway TV is detected as capable of dispalying 720p and 1080i in the Intel control pannel but only 640x480 amd 720 x 480 is avaliable. If I uncheck Hide modes that this monitor cannot display there is more to select but no one is working. I can as well only choose 60Hz (even if TV is supporting both 50 and 60 Hz). Seems that soething broke and it's time to reinstall.
Tried some game via VGA (1280x720). It's quite smooth but not perfect. It's hovewer quite low demanding one (even if 3D) so performace is not so great.
DirecX test via DVi failed.
Piotr
lolof
22nd March 2006, 11:07 PM
Hello,
My 20" monitor dvi give me something strange, I can see xp on the left side and right side (2 rows) of the monitor, rest of the screen is unusable!
Do you think that I can try to reinstall and start from nul one more times ?
Did someone has success with the apple display 20" dvi ?? I am curious !!!
Thank you
OK, I success. I have the 3D acceleration, after install with a vga monitor and switch with the dvi one, I have used vnc to set the correct resolution for my diplay dvi 20". Not all resolution are OK. It seems that windows don't know wisch resolution are good to use with the apple display 20". I think we have to find a way to install someting else then the plug and play monitor.
lolof
24th March 2006, 02:02 PM
Hi,
Has someone already try this application under windows to set the "missed resolutuion or wrong resolution" with the dvi apple display ?
It coub be a way to have all capable resolution from the display!
http://entechtaiwan.net/util/ps.shtm
I will try that later...
jelockwood
24th March 2006, 02:23 PM
The reason is simple :
GMA950 chipset has dual display feature.
Apple disabled it in its driver because Mac mini has just one Video plug.
It could be possible (with a hardware hack) to get a second screen :P
This cable from Gefen http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=3342 might do the trick. They also do a similar splitter for DVI + Component Video (for TVs).
Maaij
24th March 2006, 08:41 PM
Hi
Is anyone working on the resolution problem when using DVI? Do we have to wait for someone write a new driver?
mlazy
25th March 2006, 09:29 PM
Hey All,
Just got it working with a 23" apple cinema display (and Apple ADC to DVI box)
Had to VNC in after the last step to set the resolution, but all is well.
THANKS for the Guide!
d0nut
3rd April 2006, 08:50 AM
Hi,
I've managed to finish the install without using VGA. I am however having trouble with changing resolutions.
A couple of notes from the install. If you monitor is not 1280x1024 make sure to change the resolution to 1280x1024 in OS X before booting into windows.
Also, there is no need to reinstall os x if you botch windows, just reformat the xp partition and reformat. Lastly, you can use the mini specific xom file for the entire instal.
Berndt
mlazy
3rd April 2006, 06:43 PM
D0nut,
Glad to hear you got things working. When you say having trouble swtiching, do you mean having trouble changing it to anything other than your current res. ?
I have this trouble, and think it's just a refresh rate issue. I just have no idea how to override the resolutions in-game. For example, Quake3 won't let me switch to anything, even if I speficy in the q3config file. If anyone has suggestions, (like switching resolutions in XP before launching would be fine), but I am unable to find a good res. there too.
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