20" iMac troubleshooting

[paulyras]

Hi all,

Like hackmymac regarding the 17" iMac, I am getting really confused looking for information on the 20" iMac. While the problems are similar to those of the Minis, it looks like some people have gotten it to work. To the best of my ability though, I haven't gotten any of those solutions to work on the iMac.

I'd propose a dedicated thread for the 20" iMac, so we can consolidate info.

As I see it, here is the current status...

The initial xom.efi file for the 17" iMac didn't work, leaving you at the bootloader screen (it seems like you just couldn't see the XP installer at all).

Steve1946 and others have been working to put out a fix, and there is an alpha version floating around these forums. It gets further, allowing you to do the NTFS format, but hangs at copying files 0%.

Meanwhile some of the folks struggling with the same issues on the Mini have stunbled upon some combination of changing screen resolution and / or reverting back to an older xom.efi file allows them to boot. Of course, my assumption was 'same error, same fix'. Thus far I have not had any such luck.

I think that's where things stand.

Has anyone gotten past the 0% on the 20" iMac?

Have I missed anything else relevant to the 20" iMac?

[Zino]

I have also tested the Mac Mini "fix" but still the same problem!

[dmarkow]

Same thing here, none of the fixes have got me past the 0% error.

[Steve1496]

Sorry things have gone slow in terms of progress for the 20" iMac. Blanka has been busy, so when he's back I'll get right to work on it.

[paulyras]

Sorry things have gone slow in terms of progress for the 20" iMac. Blanka has been busy, so when he's back I'll get right to work on it.

No Problem at all. Obviously we're really anxious to get up and running but you guys have done an incredible amount of work, and we appreciate it immensely. Heck, up until a couple days ago, I was wondering if this XP was ever really going to happen.

If you need a guinea pig, feel free to drop me a message (though I think everyone feels the same way).

Paul

[xjmaas]

Hi all,

I just thought, let's try someting...

After selecting XP, I pressed F4, then F7. Here I entered the following resolution: 640x480x32

The rest remained unaltered.. The installer just started to install.

Right now I get the message that a file could not be found: wmerrenu.dll. I am going to skip this file and will post what will happen.

Greetzz,

Xander

[nwSimon]

I can confirm this is happening for me too :)

[nwSimon]

I've reached the second stage of the install with no errors!

This is looking good! :D

[xjmaas]

Right now at 97% I get a lot of errors of files not copied (a lot of DLLs)

Second, the CD has stopped spinning..

Xander

[WandaLust]

xjmass

Could you give us a little bit more info on what you did ?:eek:

[dmarkow]

So far changing to 640x480 on my 20" has worked perfectly. I'm in the graphical portion of setup now. I had zero errors while in the text portion (blue/yellow) of setup.

[xjmaas]

I downloaded the xom.efi from the FAQ page (for 20" iMac)

Rebooted the mac and after selecting XP, before typing 'enter' I pressed F4, then F7 as I had read in another post in this forum.

Here I entered 640 for thw width, 480 for the height and left the other parameters untouched

Then the installer started and I choose the partition to install. To my surprise the installer started..... now at 97% the CD has stopped spinning and I get a lot of errors about files not found on the CD.

The CD I use, is the same I used to install XP in Q (qemu) in OS X. Here the XP installed fine.

Xander

[nwSimon]

My install has completed :D

I can confirm that changing to 640x480x32 on the alpha xom.efi works on the 20" iMac!

[xjmaas]

I suspect that the burning of my CD has some flaws. I am going to reburn the CD and try again....

[dmarkow]

Success!! Here's what I did:

- Used the 20" iMac xom.efi file
- Did the F4, F7 trick to enter 640x480x32 resolution for all of setup.
- Windows booted perfectly using 640x480x32.
- Rebooted, without altering resolution, and windows boots perfectly into 1680x1050!!!

Now to start dealing with the drivers...

(Note: If you're having file copy errors, I'd suggest trying a different copy of the XP cd if possible, as mine worked perfectly. Xp SP2 Volume License / Corporate version).

[nwSimon]

Also complete success! :D

Screenshots here: http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=441650&view=findpost&p=587321741

[Zino]

I can also confirm that this is working!

[paulyras]

Congrats everyone, and thanks xjmaas. I'd have never thunk of that. :) I'm trying it right now with MCE per smartin53's thread and patch yesterday (Always trying to be different...). Looking good. I'll post updates...

Fingers crossed...

[paulyras]

I used the F4 F7 trick to change the resolution but I don't know what to type for some parameters.

X Resolution = 640
Y Resolution = 480
BitsPerPixel = 32
Scanline size = ?
Linear Frame Buffer = ?
Video Card = ?

Thanks
You can just hit enter and accept the defaults. Good luck!

[actarius]

I used the F4 F7 trick to change the resolution but I don't know what to type for some parameters.

X Resolution = 640
Y Resolution = 480
BitsPerPixel = 32
Scanline size = ?
Linear Frame Buffer = ?
Video Card = ?

I got also another problem when I enter the same parameters as inital for the last 3.

I end up with that message:

HDBoot: No active partitions found.
Boot Error----- Enter: Reboot F5: Exit

Thanks

[nwSimon]

Just press enter :)

[paulyras]

Just to confirm, Windows Media Center Edition works. I'll post pics a bit later, but I'm gonna play for a few minutes first!! ;)

[actarius]

I got also

mbrUpdate: Partition #0 - Type EF 00000028-00064027
mbrUpdate: Partition #1 - MSDOS 00064028-0E946CDF ERASING!!
mbrUpdate: Partition #2 - Type AF 0E946CE0-1D185947
mbrUpdate: Partition #3 - Empty

[actarius]

When I press Enter, the computer reboots. I redo the same thing (F4 - F7) and I got the same result. I press Enter and it reboots....:(

[traviswalters]

The 640 x 480 solution works for me as well. I am in Windows now!

[actarius]

Glad for you all!
I guess I just have to try again from the begin.
I believe it's just a matter of time :o

[paulyras]

Actarius,

Are using the alpha xom.efi that steve1946 posted specifically for the 20"imac?

Also, you are using a XP disc which you patched using according to the original iMac XP instructions (with the exception of the xom.efi, obviously), correct? I know these might be silly questions, but I thought it best to cover all bases.

Good luck,

Paul

[tdar]

I just had a crazy idea...could one of you that HAS XP installed on your 20, try to set the F4,F7 res to 1600 X 1200 (UGA) and boot XP...then if you can get that far- install the ATI drivers . It would also be interesing to install drivers with F4,F7 set to VGA
(640X480)

[xjmaas]

Looks like I have the same problem as one states in another thread..... German XP... I am trying to install a Dutch XP Pro.

Is the file he mentiones a special file (txtsetup.sif) or something? Can I create one myself?

Xander

[edit: I found that it is a simple textfile.... Can someone tell me which entries to add and/or delete? If done, I can post this file for a Dutch XP Pro]

[Steve1496]

This is very strange.

A)You shouldn't be able to get to F7 Video Console with that XOM.efi
b)The res was altered to fit the iMac, so that should've helped. The fill scanline was adjusted to help this too (1B00, hex).

But if it works, awesome!!!!!

Thanks for letting us know, very strange indeed.

[xjmaas]

I have taken the TXTSETUP.SIF from the thread How to install German Windows XP (http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=177) and changed the DEU entries in NLD.

Hope this will work, might know more in a few minutes...

Xander

[ampmhoodlum]

just confirming.

I have XP installed just changed to 640x480 like people been saying. Left other values defaulted. No errors on install. Finding drivers now. :D

Used sp1 slipstreamed with SP2 with Windows XP Pro Retail

[jann]

Grats! Still stuck at the same error after "Patch Succeeded..."

Patiently waiting for a fix.

Jann

[ampmhoodlum]

what I got working


Wireless
Ethernet
Audio (internal speakers don't work, audiojack does)

not working
Video
bluetooth
couple things in the device manager (attached screenshot)

[nwSimon]

Could you let us know how you did the bluetooth? My machine is insistant that there is no driver for it, after I run the hid2hci program.

Don't forget to install the chipset drivers and the TPM driver, which are found on the wiki :)

[Steve1496]

Interesting that before applying patches/etc to my XP install, Windows XP recognized iSight as USB Video Device?

[ampmhoodlum]

Could you let us know how you did the bluetooth? My machine is insistant that there is no driver for it, after I run the hid2hci program.

Don't forget to install the chipset drivers and the TPM driver, which are found on the wiki :)

Correction on the bluetooth. I assumeed it was working but the fix and drivers in the wiki for bluetooth aren't working for me either

[Steve1496]

Correction on the bluetooth. I assumeed it was working but the fix and drivers in the wiki for bluetooth aren't working for me either


Running hid2hci 05ac 1000 from CMD lets Windows recognize the hardware but the WidComm stack doesn't exactly see it. May need to shutdown WidComm before running this.

[ampmhoodlum]

still not working after doing that

[usefulguy]

This workaround works for me too! Thanks guys!

I have Ethernet and Sound (line out only) working and it's fully usable. It will be even more kickass if it could have the video drivers though, and I hope they're available soon.

[jerbare]

iMac 20" (250GB) - and I am at a standstill after the installation partition/format/filecopy section due to what I am guessing is a 'non-standard' partition layout...

My disk is partitioned in to four slices: EFI, Mac OS X, Windows and Linux.

I am using rEFIt to keep an eye on xom.efi's console output.

For some reason the mbrUpdate routine in xom.efi keeps replacing the wrong partition information. Even if I manually fdisk the drive and set the Windows partition to either 0x0B (FAT32) or 0x07 (NTFS) it still seems to write it as MSDOS.

After the first install cycle (file copy, restart), I see 'Disk Error Press any key to restart' in the framebuffer output. I am guessing it has to do with the MBR partition ID's not being right, and/or the format (FAT32 vs NTFS)...

Are these known issues? Are they correctable? I would very much like to 'disable' the mbrUpdate routing in xom.efi if I could since it irreversably changes the MBR to something I do not want. It makes it a huge pain to have to boot in to the Mac OS X Installer and 'dd' my proper legacy MBR over.

[torifile]

I think I must have done something wrong somewhere along the way. I've formatted my drive into 3 parts: XP, OSX and a swap space (not "swap" in the usual sense, just a place I was planning on using to move files back and forth between my OSes). I formatted the XP partition as MSDOS. When I got to the first blue screen, I didn't get anything about a file format to use. Only an option to install. I went ahead and installed and I thought things were going well, but after it went to reboot, I got "disc error". Windows is installed (or at least taking space) on that drive because I can see the files on it through OS X. Any ideas?

This is a 20" iMac, 250gig hard drive. XP Partition (first, MSDOS): 40 gigs, OS X (second, HFS+) 187 gigs, Swap (third MSDOS) 5 gigs.

[jerbare]

I went ahead and installed and I thought things were going well, but after it went to reboot, I got "disc error". Windows is installed (or at least taking space) on that drive because I can see the files on it through OS X. Any ideas?

This is a 20" iMac, 250gig hard drive. XP Partition (first, MSDOS): 40 gigs, OS X (second, HFS+) 187 gigs, Swap (third MSDOS) 5 gigs.

Exact same problem I am seeing (and as I posted above).

My guess is that it has to do with:
1. Partition Ordering (Mac/HFS before Windows/FAT|NTFS), or
2. Partition Number (More than just Mac/Win)...

Or possibly a combination of both...

[Steve1496]

20" iMac users looking for a bluetooth solution:
Try using hid2hci.exe 06ac 1000 instead.

[xjmaas]

Finally I got it working, some directions in the thread I mentioned earlier helped me....

Xander

[nwSimon]

Hi Steve

Just wanted to confirm I got bluetooth working on the 20", after I modded my bth.inf file with the following:

In the manufacturer section, add:

Apple=Apple, NT.5.1

In the Devices section, add:

[Apple.NT.5.1]
Apple Bluetooth Radio= BthUsb, USB\Vid_05ac&Pid_8206

Then I ran from the command prompt your command: hid2hci.exe 06ac 1000

Nothing appeared to happen so I ran hid2hci.exe 05ac 1000

Then Windows detected everything and it's working perfectly!

Thanks :)

[torifile]

Exact same problem I am seeing (and as I posted above).

My guess is that it has to do with:
1. Partition Ordering (Mac/HFS before Windows/FAT|NTFS), or
2. Partition Number (More than just Mac/Win)...

Or possibly a combination of both...
I'm certain that it's not #1 because I made sure to put the windows partition first. The symptom of this problem is that the windows installer doesn't ask what format you want for that partition. I don't think it has anything to do with the mbr, honestly.

I created a qemu drive from this installation and I got the same error upon boot up. Whatever format is on the drive isn't working. What if I repartition and give that drive a format that windows will HAVE to format, like HFS or UNIX? I'll give it a try.

[ampmhoodlum]

Got the bluetooth working. yay :D

[Steve1496]

http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Windows_XP_Patch_WITH_DRIVERS%21


Who's brave enough to try it? It could fix the problem with video, as video drivers are hardcoded to the registry, and this would make those drivers ATI's catalyst.

Now, when you download, you'll get some ridiculous download message about 130 people before you (of course after you've finished guessing a million times what the code says).

[compufix]

I will try it as soon as I get a d/l slot. I am 121 waiting.

I also have BT working on teh 20" using the wildcomm drivers from anycom. Modifying the number 8205 in the directions to 8206.

FOr some reason I also have an unrecognized device with the same ID but 8300. If I try to activate that one, It works but I now get a bluetooth device with an error.

Now that I have the process down...the whole F4, F7 thing, re-install will be a breeze. Let me at it.

[jerbare]

I'm certain that it's not #1 because I made sure to put the windows partition first. The symptom of this problem is that the windows installer doesn't ask what format you want for that partition. I don't think it has anything to do with the mbr, honestly.

Hmm, are you using any external media (USB Jump Drive, USB/Firewire hard drive, etc)?

I noticed that removing my USB jump drive with refit.efi and xom.efi (after loading xom.efi up from it) seems to work...

Although I am not getting to the second graphical installer screen quite yet, at least there is no Disk Error...

[compufix]

I need to re-install NERO so I cant try today....but from what I can tell, all this does is have the drivers included so you dont have to install after the fact. Still no solution for Video, but I could be wrong.

[John H.]

Success!! Here's what I did:

- Used the 20" iMac xom.efi file
- Did the F4, F7 trick to enter 640x480x32 resolution for all of setup.
- Windows booted perfectly using 640x480x32.
- Rebooted, without altering resolution, and windows boots perfectly into 1680x1050!!!

Now to start dealing with the drivers...

(Note: If you're having file copy errors, I'd suggest trying a different copy of the XP cd if possible, as mine worked perfectly. Xp SP2 Volume License / Corporate version).

Hello, what is your iMacs configuration? I have a 20" and mine gets stuck after the patching is complete. The f4/f7 trick doesn't help. The alpha version gets stuck before patching where the original version gets past the patching. So I think it depends on the hardware configuration.:confused:

[torifile]

Hmm, are you using any external media (USB Jump Drive, USB/Firewire hard drive, etc)?

I noticed that removing my USB jump drive with refit.efi and xom.efi (after loading xom.efi up from it) seems to work...

Although I am not getting to the second graphical installer screen quite yet, at least there is no Disk Error...
No external media at all. I decided to try repartitioning AGAIN. This time I got further along. But then I got struck with the upside down windows logo. Ugghhh. Reinstalling again.

Edit: I realized that I did do something unorthodox - I partitioned my internal HD while booted off my external drive. I then used Superduper to clone my installation to the OS X partition. That didn't work. Interestingly, when I went to install OS X again, I wasn't allowed to install it on my OS X partition. Something went awry during my first partition, I'm sure.

[Cris]

Hi everybody!
First of all excuse my bad english.
I tried to install win XP PRO SP2 on my 20 inch imac, didn't succeed.
I have wiped the hdd installed mac osx everything runs fine , only problem the fans are running all time at full speed.I did a nvram and SMU reset but the problem persist. Can some of you smart guys help me plss ?

thx in advance!

[torifile]

I'm having a heck of a time getting this working. I've finally gotten XP to install. I downloaded the drivers from the wiki. I even got most of them installed and working. I can't get the wireless drivers working. I've found several posts that say they won't install by clicking on the installer, but you have to extract them to a directory (c:\dell\drivers, for example) which I did.

After that I open up the add new hardware wizard and it finds my wireless card. I manually point it to the driver and it gives me a list of possible cards. I select 1490 expresscard (I've also tried the other 1490) per Pika's post over on osx86project and I just get an error saying the device couldn't be started. WTH? Any ideas?

[brelae]

First thing first...Thanks to everyone making this happen. No more beige boxes!

I'm having trouble with the installation. I'm getting stuck after the patch. I see...

Patching succeeded.
2000:0EFE: int 13_48
2000:0EFE: int 13_48

...and then nothing. I let it hang there for 10 minutes or so and nothing else happened. I've tried the alpha efi and the F4 F7 trick with the same results. I've double checked my partitions and re-burned my disk. I'm using xp pro full with sp2 for my slipstream. Any suggestions?

[Steve1496]

First thing first...Thanks to everyone making this happen. No more beige boxes!

I'm having trouble with the installation. I'm getting stuck after the patch. I see...

Patching succeeded.
2000:0EFE: int 13_48
2000:0EFE: int 13_48

...and then nothing. I let it hang there for 10 minutes or so and nothing else happened. I've tried the alpha efi and the F4 F7 trick with the same results. I've double checked my partitions and re-burned my disk. I'm using xp pro full with sp2 for my slipstream. Any suggestions?

First of all, are you *sure* you are using the xom.efi for 20" iMacs, and have blessed that file? What you're describing could indicate either:
-A bad install disc
-The wrong xom.efi
-Partition troubles

Do you see "Setup is inspecting your hardware configuration..." in the top left corner of the screen? Or do you see the small screen in the top left at all?

[pm5k800]

Ive basically spent the entire day trying to get xp pro to run on my 20" imac (1 gig / 250 hdd). Ive tried downloading a prebuilt cd which didnt work at all, in fact it deleted my xp partitition and to do any more testing i had to reinstall OSX! Then I built my own xp pro cd which seemed to work until right after the windows installataion started it said please insert xp sp2 into drive A. I pressed enter and it did nothing. I dont get that. Could it be my printer that I had plugged in or am I using the wrong xom.efi? I downloaded the xom.efi that was supposively meant for the 20" version from onmac.nets site and i also did the f4/f7 method. I dont know what to do. I really want this to work but am running out of ideas of what to try. Can anyone please offer me some suggestions whether it be in this forum or my email powerman5k800@gmail.com Any help would be much appreciated.

[brelae]

First of all, are you *sure* you are using the xom.efi for 20" iMacs, and have blessed that file? What you're describing could indicate either:
-A bad install disc
-The wrong xom.efi
-Partition troubles

Do you see "Setup is inspecting your hardware configuration..." in the top left corner of the screen? Or do you see the small screen in the top left at all?

got it installing now. I forgot to bless the xom.efi when I d/l'd the new one from the FAQ. They have a saying at work: "The problem is always your fault. The solution is always simple." Case in point :) Thanks.

[sollner11]

... But then I got struck with the upside down windows logo.

i get the "upside down windows logo" too
(so i dont come in the second graphic install part)

what is the meaning ???

[FrogPGS]

Hello,

i spent my weekend on installing WinXP Pro Sp2 / WinMCE on my 20iMac. After many different problems i get the installation screen and my system copy the files to the system. At both Win Versions i get errors by copying files:

wmerrenu.dll
muisetup.exe
xpsp1res.dll
xpsp2res.dll
spra****.dll (31 times)
sprb****.dll (25 times)
obrb****.dll (24 times)
xpob2res.dll



After reboot (also set resolution to 640x480x32) i see a message:

"Medienfehler. Taste drücken für Neustart"

I think it would be the following error message in english
"Disc error. Press a key to reboot"

Can anybody help. i have no idea what went wrong.

[vipersolied]

You have to fix the cd to install a german windows xp pro.
Please read this http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=177
This worked fine for me.

Greez

ViperSolied

[sarcoptic]

I am getting the same error as sollner11, it goes through the copy files part fine, then when you reboot and select the windows logo for the 2nd time, it flips upside down and sits there....now I have been doing some reading and I think I may know what the problem is. I reformatted my drive as 40 gig for xp and the rest for OSX...however when the windows setup runs the first time and gets to the partitions, the xp partition is detected as unpartitioned space not as FAT. Do I need to format this XP partition once in OSX or is the above case normal?

[FrogPGS]

I've read the thread already, but i thought that isn't the solution for my problem, because i thought that file contains only text for the installation procedure. Okay, in the evening i changed the txtsetup.sif of my Installation-CD an try if the installation works.

I'll post here if it works

[sollner11]

Do I need to format this XP partition once in OSX or is the above case normal?

FAQ:
"Run through the install again, making sure EFI is E:, XP is C:, and OSX is F: Make sure you install to the partition that was created with Disk Utility. Do not delete the partition within the windows install, just install on it and reformat it to NTFS / FAT32."

i have done so
but with no result

maybe: one mistake while copying files is my problem , he says "driver.cab" failure or so (but the driver.cab exists and i can go in under xp on the cd, and i burned it two times)

[pm5k800]

I finally seem to be getting somewhere with this installation.

I just built my own xp sp2 cd according to the instructions and everything was going great....

when installataion go to 84% it said the installer couldn't find sp2.cab, i clicked retry a few times and no luck so i skipped the file and when it restarted i tried to commence installation but had no luck

I don't know what to think of this, whether the file didnt get copied when i made the cd or whether the burning process screwed up or what

I at this point am stuck because i dont know where the sp2.cab file is stored so i dont know where to look or check. My initial thought is that its in the 1386 directory........................can someone please shed some light on this???

has anyone else had this problem?

[sarcoptic]

Any thoughts on this from anyone....after rebooting after the initial file copy of XP the XP logo flips and just sits there, well I hit f4 then f7 and set resolution and then tried to go into XP...obviously its getting hung up with this error any help...

HDBoot: Found active partition #1.
HDBoot: Invalid Boot Sector signature 0x000000000 (not 0xAA55)
Boot Error----- Enter:Reboot F5:Exit

any help would be great

[pm5k800]

Well after about a day and a half of on and off testing and what not Ive finally got XP PRO working perfectly on my 20 inch imac (without video driver). Apart from the fact it has no video driver its running quite fast.

Anyway, reflecting on how stressful it was for me trying to get XP working Im quite happy to give any advice/help to anyone who is still trying to get XP to work on their 20 inch imac. Either ask in here or for a fast response email me at powerman5k800@gmail.com

Good luck all

[Steve1496]

I finally seem to be getting somewhere with this installation.

I just built my own xp sp2 cd according to the instructions and everything was going great....

when installataion go to 84% it said the installer couldn't find sp2.cab, i clicked retry a few times and no luck so i skipped the file and when it restarted i tried to commence installation but had no luck

I don't know what to think of this, whether the file didnt get copied when i made the cd or whether the burning process screwed up or what

I at this point am stuck because i dont know where the sp2.cab file is stored so i dont know where to look or check. My initial thought is that its in the 1386 directory........................can someone please shed some light on this???

has anyone else had this problem?

During Setup is Copying Files part of the installation, Windows copies files from i386 to install folders.

It is very possible there was an error burning the CD. Try making a new one.

Good luck,
Steve

[John H.]

:( For some reason I seem to be the only one that can't my iMac 20" to load Windows XP and I just for the life of me can't see what I'm doing wrong. I'm using a site licensed XP Pro SP2 disc that works perfectly on any PC. I used the 20" xom.efi file, I've blessed the xom.efi file on the Mac so the boot loader works fine to switch between Mac and Windows if there was windows that is. I used the f4/f7 video trick, but the darn thing won't get past after the update patch. I have never seen the blue screen where you pick the partition to load windows on. The CD rom just shutsdown and the Mac just sits there with no more functionality.

Is there another xom.efi file that I'm missing? I got the one off of the FAQ page and when I save it. It comes out xom.efi.txt. Is there a problem with the way I save the xom.efi file that makes this not work?

Help?
Thanks in advance if you can suggest something I haven't tried.

[Steve1496]

:( For some reason I seem to be the only one that can't my iMac 20" to load Windows XP and I just for the life of me can't see what I'm doing wrong. I'm using a site licensed XP Pro SP2 disc that works perfectly on any PC. I used the 20" xom.efi file, I've blessed the xom.efi file on the Mac so the boot loader works fine to switch between Mac and Windows if there was windows that is. I used the f4/f7 video trick, but the darn thing won't get past after the update patch. I have never seen the blue screen where you pick the partition to load windows on. The CD rom just shutsdown and the Mac just sits there with no more functionality.

Is there another xom.efi file that I'm missing? I got the one off of the FAQ page and when I save it. It comes out xom.efi.txt. Is there a problem with the way I save the xom.efi file that makes this not work?

Help?
Thanks in advance if you can suggest something I haven't tried.


If you don't see a blue Windows setup screen your install CD is not correctly prepared. Please try reburning in Nero.

Steve

[John H.]

Hi Steve, When it says to make sure "use folder names is on" where do you find this option in XP? I think maybe my problem after reading it again from the beginning is that I would extract the installer files to my desktop rather than to the C:\. Could this cause my issues?

Thanks for your help again.
:)

[Steve1496]

Hi Steve, When it says to make sure "use folder names is on" where do you find this option in XP? I think maybe my problem after reading it again from the beginning is that I would extract the installer files to my desktop rather than to the C:\. Could this cause my issues?

Thanks for your help again.
:)

*Control Panel>Folder Options

*Nope that wouldn't cause any problems other than needing to adjust your paths to C:\Documents and Settings\YourUsernameHere\Desktop\xp where you need to enter fle paths.

Steve

[paulyras]

Is there another xom.efi file that I'm missing? I got the one off of the FAQ page and when I save it. It comes out xom.efi.txt. Is there a problem with the way I save the xom.efi file that makes this not work?

I had the same problem. I'm guessing you DLd it in Safari, as that's where I saw the issue. What I did was open it in the OSX text editor by double clicking, then did a save as, and there was an option to save as, and you have to unselect the txt option.

The other thing is if you manage to find a zipped version of the file, that will likely do it too. It's weird, but it is the right file. I have no idea why, but I just had to tinker with it a bit to get the pesky .txt extension off of it.

[FrogPGS]

You have to fix the cd to install a german windows xp pro.
Please read this http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=177
This worked fine for me.

Greez

ViperSolied


With this modification there is no more error during the copy of files. But the Problem is the same.

At the 2nd Boot (640x480x32) i get a message

"Medienfehler
Neustart: Taste drücken"

In English:
"Disc Error. Press a key to reboot."

Is that a problem with the Boot Sector (MBR) or something else.
My first partition is a FAT32 (XP) 80GByte , the second is a MAC OS Journaled (OSX) 160 GB.

Is this maybe the problem. Must the XP-Partition be smaller?

Can anybody help???

[mcnaugha]

Ok, tried it a dozen times now... it seems to me that some 20" units work and some don't. Some sort of component difference that's making all the difference.

I am using the 20"-specific xom file. I am also implementing the 640x480 rez trick.

I thought my mistake had been to create a partition on the unpartitioned space... so I tried simply selecting the unpartitioned space - it went straight to formatting, setup files went on as before, then it can't boot into the GUI stage of the Windows installer. It's like there's something wrong with the partition. Sometimes I see it saying that it's booting ok... but then I just see the random coloured characters at the top left of the screen. Other times it says boot error. I've tried double, triple installing Windows without reinitialising the disk to no avail.

I experience the exact same issue with a MacBook Pro 2.0GHz. I am using the original xom file with this model.

Am I just going to have to sit tight until this project has time to mature?

[sarcoptic]

mcnaugua that was my exact problem...here is how I fixed it...just restart the XP install over now... as in put the disc in and do the first part over. Finally when the partition screen comes up baam its correct. You will see your new Unpartitioned Space as C: Partition 1...now install and it should work.

[mcnaugha]

Yeah it's that "unpartitioned space" thing. If I'd chosen it without doing "create partition" it would have worked all along. Doh!

Running it on both MacBook Pro and iMac 20" now.

[sarcoptic]

I felt the same exact way, someone posted to macfixit post about the problem and after that I was in like flin!

[sdavis]

isnt it "in like flint"? but anywhoo... for people still having problems, this is what i did for my 20" iiMac and it worked perfectly...

<starting after a bad install>
Zero'd out the disk
rebooted
partitioned the drive to xp-40gb and osx-192gb
formatted xp as ms-dos and osx as journaled
installed OSX on the 192gb partition
copied the xom.efi file to the coreservices directory
blessed it and set it to boot
rebooted
at the selection screen hit F4 then F7
did 640x480 resolution
selected XP with the modified XP CD in the drive
when the drive selection screen comes up, i select the 40GB drive and it asks to format it as NTFS (i believe to get FAT32 you need to be below 32gb)

as the instructions say, it does freeze after the second part of the install... wait about a minute before shutting off the computer. also make sure after the first part of the install to hit F2 at the EFI screen to make sure that you dont boot off the CD again...

restart and you should be able to boot into windows. just remember to take out the CD...

[sollner11]

isnt it "in like flint"? ....

ok, but what is the trick
i do it every day on this way (today with the 3d streaming-cd) :confused:

€:
omg......"The trick is do the first part twice.".... yahoooooooooooooooooo (thx)

[sarcoptic]

The trick is do the first part twice. I had a 40gig partition that was recognized as unpartitioned space the first time. I said format for NTFS Quick and let it copy the files over. Now you are suppose to take the cd out or press f2 so it wont boot from CD....well DONT DO THAT PART. Let it boot off the CD again and start the first part over. This time when it sees the partitions instead of it saying unpartitioned space it was detected correctly as C:PARTITION 2....now just follow the guide. Select that partition and it will format again and copy files over. On reboot hit f2 to disable the cd/boot and the 2nd part of the install should begin...

[John H.]

Okay my problem is I don't get to choose the partition when it starts up. It goes through a bunch of lines of text code tells me I have 3 partitions and the msdos one is erasing. I don't get any prompt to choose a partition. Then it does the patch which succeeded. Then I get to more lines of code and then the CD drive spins down and that's all folks. I never get any farther. I have an iMac 20" with 256mb video card and 1 gig of ram with a 250gig hd. I've partitioned XP for 60gigs with MSdos and the rest for OSX journaled. I use nero 7 for the burn, I've done all the CD steps to the letter that I can tell. The blessed boot loader works I switch to Windows f4 and f7 and do the 640x480x32 step and default the rest. It starts with a black screen with white text about 20 lines immediately with the partitions and erasing msdos. Does the patch and then stops. So I guess I'll try removing the xom.efi file from my Mac and open it and save it without the .txt and see if that is my problem. :confused:

[sdavis]

John, you shouldnt have to ever open the xom.efi file. that could cause some weird problems... what you want to do is download the xom.efi file from here: http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Developers/XOMs and make sure that it is the 20" on and then save it, dont open it... then it seems like you are doing the sudo and blessing part right... so just try the new xom.efi and see if that helps...

<note> i am working on a 20" modification of the documentation and a video (i know i said that before but i have it recording now) so look for that soon...

[John H.]

SDavis thanks for the info. Actually I have never tried to open the xom.efi file but when I save it to my Mac it saves it as xom.efi.txt which I think maybe part of the problem.
I'm happy that you are working on new procedures and us 20" iMac users and I would like to thank you very much in advance from all of us. Would it be better to use a different browser other than Safari to save this file from? :confused:

[sollner11]

...my Mac it saves it as xom.efi.txt which I think maybe part of the problem.

yes...
klick appel+i (or right klick mouse)
and rename (del .txt)

[sdavis]

check out this file, it is just a slight mod of the first howto.txt file included in the xom package.

let me know if it helps and if you have any suggestions please let me know.

Thanks!

[Steve1496]

SDavis thanks for the info. Actually I have never tried to open the xom.efi file but when I save it to my Mac it saves it as xom.efi.txt which I think maybe part of the problem.
I'm happy that you are working on new procedures and us 20" iMac users and I would like to thank you very much in advance from all of us. Would it be better to use a different browser other than Safari to save this file from? :confused:


Safari shouldn't save it as a .txt. If it does however in Finder just change .txt to .efi so it reads
xom.efi NOT xom.efi.txt/xom.efi.efi

John, when you start xom.efi to install Windows XP (after doing the F7 video adjustment), do you see a screen in the top left corner? How far does it get?

Steve

[diaeresis]

Happy to report I have it working fine on the 20" iMac. sarcoptic's right about the weird reboot thing. It hung at "copying files" to the newly (quick) formatted NTFS partition. Rebooting properly recognized it as C:\ instead of E:\ or F:\ or whatever it was, and after that, it was all good.

[John H.]

Safari shouldn't save it as a .txt. If it does however in Finder just change .txt to .efi so it reads
xom.efi NOT xom.efi.txt/xom.efi.efi

John, when you start xom.efi to install Windows XP (after doing the F7 video adjustment), do you see a screen in the top left corner? How far does it get?

Steve

No Steve, there are no other windows just a black screen with white text. It gets past the patch succeeded and then the CD powers down and stops.
That's as far as I get. I don't get prompted for a partition either it just says it is erasing msdos at the very beginning when I get past the video setup.I have deleted the .txt from xom.efi.txt but others have posted that you might have to do it another way so that's why I asked about that.:mad:

[Steve1496]

If you're using the correct 20" iMac EFI file, it shows Windows Setup progress in the top left corner of the screen.

Steve

[torifile]

No Steve, there are no other windows just a black screen with white text. It gets past the patch succeeded and then the CD powers down and stops.
That's as far as I get. I don't get prompted for a partition either it just says it is erasing msdos at the very beginning when I get past the video setup.I have deleted the .txt from xom.efi.txt but others have posted that you might have to do it another way so that's why I asked about that.:mad:
Don't forget to press F4 then F7 and selecting the correct resolution BEFORE pressing enter to start the install.

[John H.]

Well I got the configuration is checking your system in the upper left hand corner but now thats as far as it goes. :confused:

[maddox]

Well I got the configuration is checking your system in the upper left hand corner but now thats as far as it goes. :confused:

John you wrote in a post that you get the information that the dos partition is being erased. i got this message only with the wrong version of the xom.efi. since i use the correct version for the 20" imac i don´t get this message anymore.
Perhaps something went wrong with the blessing. you downloaded, renamed, copied and blessed the new xom.efi version?

[mboot]

I finally installed XP, but I cannot browse on the internet. The Window doesn't show any content. Nor can I start Configuration.

Is the internal videocard ok for using XP?? :confused:

(By the way: can anyone tell me what is meant by "bless the file"? English is not my native language, you see.)

[maddox]

I finally installed XP, but I cannot browse on the internet. The Window doesn't show any content. Nor can I start Configuration.

Is the internal videocard ok for using XP?? :confused:

(By the way: can anyone tell me what is meant by "bless the file"? English is not my native language, you see.)


Hi,

do you have installed all the network drivers? You can find them in this forum.

The internal card ist ok, but there are no good drivers at the time.

"bless the file" You tell your operating system to use xom.efi as the new bootloader, so you can choose to boot osx or xp.

[mboot]

Hi maddox,

thanks for the hint. I installed them and I got onto internet.
Updating my OSX had the result that the XP partition was renamed into Untitled. Anyone knows why? (I had to use terminal again for the dual boot again)

Restartin XP did freeze the Mac. Any solutions?

[sollner11]

Hi maddox,

I searched for network drivers, without result. Can you tell or show me where to find them?

tnx :p

http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Users/Drivers

[compufix]

If you're using the correct 20" iMac EFI file, it shows Windows Setup progress in the top left corner of the screen.

Steve

Steve I have that utility done. It is in the main section of the forum and called xomhelper....installes the xom.efi, blesses, allows you to revert to boot.efi, and create the CD....combination of Applescript and a few lil shell scripts...not pretty, but works.

I like using Applescript to act as a front end to the shell scripts since it is easy to prompt for input using a gui. I had the shell scripts done in no time, I had to brush up on Applescript...took me most of the afternoon.

-Mike

[FrogPGS]

Hello,

thanks for your help. Windows getting started today!!!

My solution:
After the modification of the txtsetup.sif, i had to restart the installation process and have to delete the c: Partition (Fat32) so windows says it is an unpartitioned Sector, then i have to create a new partition in the unpartitioned Sector and format it with NTFS. After the restart i must should enter the 640x480x32 mode and the second part of the installation process getting started. Windows runs now well.

Thanks

[polomasta]

so I had a CD made for me by a buddy that got everything working on his MBP. I downloaded the xom.efi for the 20" iMac and followed the process for installation exactly. After I do the resolution setup and hit enter to boot Windows I get a smaller "window" in the top left that says the system is checking my configuration and then below that above of random characters in blue, yellow, and red. This is as far as I get, no setup screen, progress bar or anything. Any ideas?

[compufix]

You need to press F4 and then F7 at the Windows logo in the bootloader BEFORE you get to that point...so reboot, then switch the bootloader to windows, press F4 then F7 and type in 640 and 480 for the resolution...then it will go all the way through.

-Compufix

[polomasta]

okay, so I just wiped everything, repartitioned, reinstalled osx, downloaded the 20" imac xom.efi, copied/blessed per instructions. put in my modified XP disc, rebooted, switched to windows logo, pressed F4 then F7... entered 640, 480 for x/y resolution, then enter/enter/enter/enter... then in the top left of the screen I see "Setup is inspecting your computer's hardware configuration..." random characters below that in blue, green, cyan, red, magenta, yellow and white. I've let it sit at this screen for 5+ minutes and no change. Am I still doing something wrong??

[John H.]

John you wrote in a post that you get the information that the dos partition is being erased. i got this message only with the wrong version of the xom.efi. since i use the correct version for the 20" imac i don´t get this message anymore.
Perhaps something went wrong with the blessing. you downloaded, renamed, copied and blessed the new xom.efi version?

Hi Maddox, I used the xom.efi file that is posted for 20". Is there a link that you could give me that is the known working version of the 20" xom.efi file? Maybe I'm getting one from an old post that doesn't work.

[compufix]

Hi Maddox, I used the xom.efi file that is posted for 20". Is there a link that you could give me that is the known working version of the 20" xom.efi file? Maybe I'm getting one from an old post that doesn't work.

Take a look at my xomhelper app, step through the install and tell it you have the 20" iMac, it should install the proper one for you. At least it is a starting point. Look at the base forum for the topic xomhelper.

-Compufix

[compufix]

okay, so I just wiped everything, repartitioned, reinstalled osx, downloaded the 20" imac xom.efi, copied/blessed per instructions. put in my modified XP disc, rebooted, switched to windows logo, pressed F4 then F7... entered 640, 480 for x/y resolution, then enter/enter/enter/enter... then in the top left of the screen I see "Setup is inspecting your computer's hardware configuration..." random characters below that in blue, green, cyan, red, magenta, yellow and white. I've let it sit at this screen for 5+ minutes and no change. Am I still doing something wrong??


Is there a possibility that your CD is somehow messed up? I move right to the loading window section and into setup is copying files, as long as you set the resolution as you said you have. Are you sure you have the updated xom.efi for 20" iMac? Or try a different CD.

-Compufix

[polomasta]

Is there a possibility that your CD is somehow messed up? I move right to the loading window section and into setup is copying files, as long as you set the resolution as you said you have. Are you sure you have the updated xom.efi for 20" iMac? Or try a different CD.

-Compufix


I guess it could be my CD, the orginial I tried was one that my buddy used to succesfully load XP onto his MBP... trying xomhelper with xp sp2 acquired via other means...see what happens...

I definitely have the right xom.efi

[polomasta]

xomhelper solved my problems!!! sweet...going through install now. guess it was a DKO error before :-P

[John H.]

Take a look at my xomhelper app, step through the install and tell it you have the 20" iMac, it should install the proper one for you. At least it is a starting point. Look at the base forum for the topic xomhelper.

-Compufix
Your xomhelper errored out saying no such file or directory.

[John H.]

There seems to be a few of these xom.efi files that say are for the 20" iMac but don't work. So where is the known working xom.efi file for the 20" iMac located?
Please?:confused:

[John H.]

Sorry folks but the 20" iMac doesn't load Windows.:(
At least not on mine it doesn't. I've done all the steps suggested and loaded and reloaded the xom.efi file and it just sits there saying it is checking the configuration. I have never gotten even to the partitioning window which it is supposed to do.

[jerbare]

I'm very close with my iMac 20".

I can boot the installer disc just fine and select a partition. The partition ordering is just fine.

It copies files and reboots. I eject the disc, hit F2 to disable El Torito, F4/F7 the resolution to 640 x 480 again - and it appears to boot off the hard drive. I can hit F8 to bring up the boot options menu. I've done safe mode and I can see all the drivers load...

However I never get to the second graphical installation screen. It just stays at the console...

I'm guessing its video driver related. I see the light turn off on my mouse and turn back on again, and I hear the hard drive going like it is installing but I never get any video...

I can verify it is writing files by rebooting in to Mac OS X and checking some of the modified dates - seeing times within the past few minutes...

Strange... I can get the 640x480 video just fine after the initial boot finishes loading drivers and goes to the partition selection screen... I don't know if it uses the same video driver for the first stage versus the second stage...

Is this an xom.efi problem or a video driver issue on the installer disc?

[edit]

I patched my own disc manually using cdimage.exe instead of Nero and am getting confused about how the patch directory should laid out...

Microsofts documentation specifies that the $OEM$ directory should be placed INSIDE the i386 directory for installation media. However, based on the how-to, the $OEM$ and i386 directories are both off of the root of the disc...

My first burn was set up as the patch directory shows: $OEM$ off of the disc root, and dumping the i386 files in to an original slipstreamed i386 directory. Upon booting up there was an error that the iaStor.sys driver was missing. That is when I checked Microsofts documentation and found that $OEM$ should be INSIDE i386... I corrected this and am using the second burn to get as far as I did...

Is there something funky weird going on with Nero and how it uses files from the project? Should there be both an $OEM$ folder off the disc root AND off of the i386 directory?

I don't see any mention of a how-to for manually patching the Install disc - and once I get the answers I'd like to help correct that. I would image that people like me would rather use the tools they're familiar with to do the job than use a demo/pirated copy of software I could care less about...

With using the open source mkisofs app, one could make a fully patched cd very easily from any platform they like...

[mboot]

My 20" works fine starting XP, but I downloaded some exe files and they just won't startup.
Games go well and even automatic update works.
What's wrong with the installer files??:confused:

[polomasta]

so I finally got to the first installation screen... when it asks me to choose a partition I only see two, the c: (XP) partition (which says FAT 32 only) and f: which is unknown. (is this correct) so I choose the XP partitiona and it starts copying files then reboots, I eject CD, do the F4/F7 thing and enter throught to boot windows and it just sits at the console... if I hit g (or any other key) like I read in other threads it says "Disk Error, press any key to restart" what's the problem???

[mrdanjohnson]

Hey Guys, I attempted the install as it is ordered in the installation but I didn't know that I needed a special boot loader. (It hung up in the boot screen). After going back to os x I noticed in disk utility that my xp partition is now "free space" and I can't partition it without wipeing out my osx partition. Does anyone know what I can do to get me back on the road?

[compufix]

I patched my own disc manually using cdimage.exe instead of Nero and am getting confused about how the patch directory should laid out....

I have an Applescript app that I wrote that installed the xom.efi file for your machine, blesses, and allows you to create the CD from OSX using the downloaded file from onmac.net.

Try it and let me know in that forum how it works for you...

http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=362

-Compufix

[sdavis]

im rendering a vid of me installing windows and actually installing Office on my 20"imac... its kinda big... anyone got a place where i can put it so people can see??

better yet, does anyone know a free site to upload files for download? there has been stuff posted here but i forget the site...

thanks!

[Wayne T]

Ive basically spent the entire day trying to get xp pro to run on my 20" imac (1 gig / 250 hdd). Ive tried downloading a prebuilt cd which didnt work at all, in fact it deleted my xp partitition and to do any more testing i had to reinstall OSX! Then I built my own xp pro cd which seemed to work until right after the windows installataion started it said please insert xp sp2 into drive A. I pressed enter and it did nothing. I dont get that. Could it be my printer that I had plugged in or am I using the wrong xom.efi? I downloaded the xom.efi that was supposively meant for the 20" version from onmac.nets site and i also did the f4/f7 method. I dont know what to do. I really want this to work but am running out of ideas of what to try. Can anyone please offer me some suggestions whether it be in this forum or my email powerman5k800ATgmail.com Any help would be much appreciated.

did it really say SP 2 or XP CD 2 ?? - The latter often happens with certain starter CDs ... and seems to occur when windoze 'loses its way'... it has happened to me doing a 'normal' install on a normal winbox...

in any event, don't just hit 'ok'/whatever (I mean it's not as if you HAVE a drive A or know what file its looking for/where it is etc. etc..). Instead .. choose 'more info' or 'Browse'.... then Browse to one of two places, either the CD or the HD - try CD first... OFTEN, you'll be fascinated to note that the installer is looking for a file called blaaaart.cl_ (or some such meaningless krap.,..) AND it has taken you right to the directory 'leaf' where it actually exists !! as in D:/I386/blug/drivee/squat/fiddle/cab/mutha/wtf/doinhere and there in front of you is the file blaaaart.cl_.. - all you have to do is hit enter (sometimes after hiliting file, usually not) -NO - I don't know why windows can't 'find' the file when it obviously just DID .. but them's the breaks!! sometimes it'll now run on happily, sometimes it'll put you thru this routine a dozen times ...but, eventually it just installs...

Usually, on win boxen... when it asks for something like that I just Nav to the very HD it's installed on .. and tell it to get file-a from where it HAS it ... and put it back there again ... - and it all works happily...

If it *doesn't indicate where the file IS, you have to put the Install CD in a win Box and search for the file (And/or search the installed win for it...)..

[PS: on v rare occasions, when I've be doing something related to the SP2 install, it'll do similar but ask for the disk where the SP2 install is - I just do precisely the same thing..]

best of luck [i'm contactable...]

[Wayne T]

so I finally got to the first installation screen... when it asks me to choose a partition I only see two, the c: (XP) partition (which says FAT 32 only) and f: which is unknown. (is this correct) so I choose the XP partitiona and it starts copying files then reboots, I eject CD, do the F4/F7 thing and enter throught to boot windows and it just sits at the console... if I hit g (or any other key) like I read in other threads it says "Disk Error, press any key to restart" what's the problem???

I'm sorry: don't understand .. from the above it sounds like you've actually DONE the install.."so I choose the XP partition and it starts copying files then reboots" - after the Install has run ? or it reboots in seconds ?

You shd only have to do the F4/F7 thing to get the instal running (as far as I recall..) if you did it AFter XP was installed, I presume you'd get it terribly confused.. *grin* .. - advise, please ..

[Wayne T]

My 20" works fine starting XP, but I downloaded some exe files and they just won't startup.
Games go well and even automatic update works.
What's wrong with the installer files??:confused:


Games are .exe files ... - can you be more specific about what yr downloading, what the filenames/types/sizes are .. and what 'installer files' you are referring to, please ?

[Wayne T]

Hey Guys, I attempted the install as it is ordered in the installation but I didn't know that I needed a special boot loader. (It hung up in the boot screen). After going back to os x I noticed in disk utility that my xp partition is now "free space" and I can't partition it without wipeing out my osx partition. Does anyone know what I can do to get me back on the road?

This one has come up elsewhere, I seem to rcall that using the free space was the answer - but I'd check me first :)


everyone else: all 20" iMacs now working - to 'Installed' stage ?

It seems they should be .. mine is - and was pretty quickly .. - with a few 'hiccoughs'

[endlessflood]

I used xomhelper to bless my 20" iMac and build the slipstreamed CD. Everything worked like a champ and I can now boot successfully into Windows.

The only thing (which has already been mentioned here but I'll point out again) is that you have to do the first part of the install TWICE. The first time the Windows installer doesn't read the partitions correctly (it sees the MS-DOS partition as F or something). The second time you run through it everything looks correct (i.e. it sees the MS-DOS partition as C). Once you've done the second run through where the partition is correctly recognised as C, you can then proceed through to the next installation bit where you boot off the partition instead of the CD.

[compufix]

Your xomhelper errored out saying no such file or directory.

AT what point did it error out? Installing the xom.efi or creating the CD? Did you download the original archive from here, and point the CD creation process to the XP folder?

-Compufix