If somebody does not have Internet, can he open a file without loading new version?

[fleuro4ek]

I loaded a new version of excel.

I sent one excel-file, but the person couldn't open it!!! He was obliged to load too a new version to open my file! If somebody does not have Internet, can he open a file without loading new version?

An? related question - Is there excel on mac?
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[zarmanto]

Microsoft changes so many things from one version of their Office products to another, that exchanging files with someone who has a different version of Office then you quickly gets quite frustrating (though, it's not entirely impossible). But no: disconnecting your computer from the internet isn't the solution. The only option you have is to re-save your file out into an older format, or in a version independant format (such as csv). In both cases your file can potentially lose certain features available only in the newer software -- and Microsoft takes great pleasure in informing you of that fact as you're trying to save the file. Generally speaking, what you'll need to do is select the version of Excel that you're friend has (or the closest available option) from the "document type" drop down in the save dialog box.

And yes: There is a current Mac version of Microsoft Excel. There are also other Microsoft products available for the Macintosh; you can read about them on Microsoft's "Mactopia (http://www.microsoft.com/mac/default.mspx)" website.

Now, having said all of that... Personally, I recommend switching to OpenOffice.org (http://www.openoffice.org/) -- it's free, it's cross-platform, it's free, it's compatible with many of Microsoft's file formats and it's free. Just a thought.

Did I mention that it's free? :D

[fleuro4ek]

Microsoft changes so many things from one version of their Office products to another, that exchanging files with someone who has a different version of Office then you quickly gets quite frustrating (though, it's not entirely impossible). But no: disconnecting your computer from the internet isn't the solution. The only option you have is to re-save your file out into an older format, or in a version independant format (such as csv). In both cases your file can potentially lose certain features available only in the newer software -- and Microsoft takes great pleasure in informing you of that fact as you're trying to save the file. Generally speaking, what you'll need to do is select the version of Excel that you're friend has (or the closest available option) from the "document type" drop down in the save dialog box.

And yes: There is a current Mac version of Microsoft Excel. There are also other Microsoft products available for the Macintosh; you can read about them on Microsoft's "Mactopia (http://www.microsoft.com/mac/default.mspx)" website.

Now, having said all of that... Personally, I recommend switching to OpenOffice.org (http://www.openoffice.org/) -- it's free, it's cross-platform, it's free, it's compatible with many of Microsoft's file formats and it's free. Just a thought.

Did I mention that it's free? :D

Oh, thank you for your reply! And for links, free links :) Very useful. Hm, I haven't bought yet my mac. Help me please... Could be all Microsoft's apps loaded on mac or should I run Windows for it?
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[zarmanto]

Most of Microsoft's Office suite is available in a Macintosh version -- but not all. Word, Excel and PowerPoint are all available, and Microsoft's e-mail client is called Entourage on the Mac instead of Outlook. However, they are a separate purchase from the Windows version of Office that you probably already have -- so if you're talking about trying to use the copy of Microsoft Office for Windows that you've already purchased, then yes: You'll need to load Windows alongside MacOS X in order to use that software.

[fleuro4ek]

You'll need to load Windows alongside MacOS X in order to use that software.

How could I do it?
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[zarmanto]

There are several options, actually: the most popular ones are BootCamp (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html), Parallels Desktop (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/), and VMWare Fusion (http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/), each of which are briefly described below.

BootCamp
New Macintosh computers come with a tool called "BootCamp Assistant" which allows you to configure your Mac as a true-blue-multi-boot computer. You run the Assistant to partition your harddrive appropriately, then you reboot to install Windows, and finally, you insert the MacOS X 10.5 DVD to load the hardware specific drivers for Windows. Once all of that is completed, your machine will run Windows just as well as any other standard PC.

Parallels Desktop & VMWare Fusion
These products are classified as "virtualization environments". They allow you to install and run Windows while you're running MacOS X. There are circumstances in which this is more convenient then installing Windows via BootCamp, but there are also disadvantages to virtualization -- the most obvious of which is performance; virtualization (by definition) doesn't give all of your computer's resources over to Windows, and therefore, Windows does not run as fast as it would under BootCamp. This performance discrepancy is most notable when you're doing graphics-intensive operations, such as playing many modern video games.

The wonderful thing is that you don't have to choose only one or the other; you can setup Windows with BootCamp, and then setup the virtualization program of your choice to use that same installation of Windows. Then you'll be able to reboot to run Windows natively when you want to play video games, and you'll still have the option to perform less intensive Windows-only tasks (such as watching NetFlix videos, or working in FrontPage) without needing to reboot.

Between the two programs, I cannot really say that there is a significant advantage of one over the other -- but I tend to like VMWare better myself, for virtualization. (Others on this forum favor Parallels.) Of course, it's a simple matter to decide for yourself, once you've bought your own Macintosh; you could just download the time-limited demo versions of both, test them out, and come up with your own conclusion. (That's what I did.)

And a word to the wise: Bear in mind that (at least in the case of Parallels) you'll want to uninstall the add-ons before the demo expires, or else you'll end up having to hunt through the registry to remove entries manually. Not fun... I found the instructions on how to purge the add-ons once awhile back, but I still haven't spent the time to actually do it.

[fleuro4ek]

There are several options, actually: the most popular ones are BootCamp (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html), Parallels Desktop (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/), and VMWare Fusion (http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/), each of which are briefly described below.

BootCamp
New Macintosh computers come with a tool called "BootCamp Assistant" which allows you to configure your Mac as a true-blue-multi-boot computer. You run the Assistant to partition your harddrive appropriately, then you reboot to install Windows, and finally, you insert the MacOS X 10.5 DVD to load the hardware specific drivers for Windows. Once all of that is completed, your machine will run Windows just as well as any other standard PC.

Parallels Desktop & VMWare Fusion
These products are classified as "virtualization environments". They allow you to install and run Windows while you're running MacOS X. There are circumstances in which this is more convenient then installing Windows via BootCamp, but there are also disadvantages to virtualization -- the most obvious of which is performance; virtualization (by definition) doesn't give all of your computer's resources over to Windows, and therefore, Windows does not run as fast as it would under BootCamp. This performance discrepancy is most notable when you're doing graphics-intensive operations, such as playing many modern video games.

The wonderful thing is that you don't have to choose only one or the other; you can setup Windows with BootCamp, and then setup the virtualization program of your choice to use that same installation of Windows. Then you'll be able to reboot to run Windows natively when you want to play video games, and you'll still have the option to perform less intensive Windows-only tasks (such as watching NetFlix videos, or working in FrontPage) without needing to reboot.

Between the two programs, I cannot really say that there is a significant advantage of one over the other -- but I tend to like VMWare better myself, for virtualization. (Others on this forum favor Parallels.) Of course, it's a simple matter to decide for yourself, once you've bought your own Macintosh; you could just download the time-limited demo versions of both, test them out, and come up with your own conclusion. (That's what I did.)

And a word to the wise: Bear in mind that (at least in the case of Parallels) you'll want to uninstall the add-ons before the demo expires, or else you'll end up having to hunt through the registry to remove entries manually. Not fun... I found the instructions on how to purge the add-ons once awhile back, but I still haven't spent the time to actually do it.

Thank you, zarmanto (http://forum.onmac.net/member.php?u=4760)! Bootcamp is free, I guess, if it comes with macs.. isn't it?
And what is the prices&quality of Fusion and Parallels? Why did you choose the first one? Have you ever tried Parallels? I'm thinking what to run...
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[zarmanto]

Yes: BootCamp is a free component of Apple's current operating system, MacOS X Leopard (10.5).

Presently, VMWare Fusion and Parallels Desktop both cost US $80. This didn't used to be the case -- VMWare has actually raised their price from $60! (So much for the "benefits" of competition, eh?)

The quality, as I said before, is entirely a matter of opinion. I strongly recommend that you download the fully functional demo versions of both products and try them out for yourself (as I did) before buying either one.

As for why I favor Fusion: the primary reason is that while I was testing out Parallels, there were times when it would actually eat up all of my processor resources, and prevent me from being able to do anything at all in the host operating system (MacOS X). I didn't have that same problem with Fusion when I tried it out during that same timeframe. However, this was all several months ago (http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=2871&p=12505), and both products may have evolved significantly since then. This is why I recommend testing them both out and deciding for yourself.

And for reference, I have indeed used both products -- but only the demo versions; I didn't actually buy either product. I found that for my own purposes, I don't feel that the convenience they offer is worth the outlay of cash -- particularly since I can just reboot into Windows via BootCamp instead. And since my main activity when I go to Windows on my iMac happens to be playing video games, rebooting is what I would end up doing most of the time anyway... so the virtualizers are hardly useful at all to me. But as they say, your mileage may vary... and probably will. :D

[specter]

Hi, fleuro4ek
Have you ever tried Parallels? I'm thinking what to run...
I choose Parallels Desktop. In fact, Parallels and Fusion are pretty same. There are not so many differences between these virtual machines as one may think.
For me Parallels is better. It has decent Dran'n'Drop support, I like the Coherence mode very much (just check the link zarmanto provided to find out what's this all about).
Parallels has a set of tools in order to help you maintain your virtual machine. Most of all I favor Transporter - you'll find out how useful it can be as soon as you'll need to transport your existing virtual machine to another one.
In fact Parallels doesn't eat as much memory. Just open Activity Monitor and you'll see, that Fusion has the same amount of RAM used.
You can also get Parallels Premium (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/premium/), with 3 additional pieces of software for your Windows partition. Antivirus is rather useful.

But, as zarmanto said, just test both apps yourself and see what's best
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[fleuro4ek]

Hi, fleuro4ek

I choose Parallels Desktop. In fact, Parallels and Fusion are pretty same. There are not so many differences between these virtual machines as one may think.
For me Parallels is better. It has decent Dran'n'Drop support, I like the Coherence mode very much (just check the link zarmanto provided to find out what's this all about).
Parallels has a set of tools in order to help you maintain your virtual machine. Most of all I favor Transporter - you'll find out how useful it can be as soon as you'll need to transport your existing virtual machine to another one.
In fact Parallels doesn't eat as much memory. Just open Activity Monitor and you'll see, that Fusion has the same amount of RAM used.
You can also get Parallels Premium (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/premium/), with 3 additional pieces of software for your Windows partition. Antivirus is rather useful.

But, as zarmanto said, just test both apps yourself and see what's best

Thank you! And for what period is it possible to install test-prog? How much days does it work? Could I prolong then? Should I do it one after the other? First - Parallels, then Fusion? Or vice versa? Could you make this clear for me?
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[zarmanto]

The VMWare trial period is easily found (https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/?eval=fusion) on their webpage: it is 30 days. You have to establish an account with Parallels before you can even find out how long the trial period is... but it's 15 days.

You can do one after the other, or you can do them both at the same time; it all depends upon your preferences. I did them both at the same time, specifically because I wanted to directly compare the two, and run some tests against each of them... I wasn't really worried about prolonging my "free" use of virtualization technologies.

[specter]

How could I do it?
My reply to your question is rather short - Parallels=)
Here is what i just posted (http://forum.onmac.net/showpost.php?p=13011&postcount=2) in another thread concerning Parallels
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[fleuro4ek]

My reply to your question is rather short - Parallels=)
Here is what i just posted (http://forum.onmac.net/showpost.php?p=13011&postcount=2) in another thread concerning Parallels

I bought mac I tried Parallels (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/premium/) to run Windows. I may tell you from in all sincerity I've enjoyed it! I do not have to purchase extra hardware to use specific or old apps that work in certain OS. Yep, Mac has alternative progs, but why should I buy it again, if I have already bought them for Windows! It's easier to run Windows trough parallels. :)
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