Apple releases official WinXP on Mac solution

[Vaxan]

That's right, you can now download a public beta from Apple to boot Windows XP on an Intel Mac. Oh yes, and it includes drivers.

Read all about it yourself: http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

[sandau]

i looked for your post...didn't see it so I posted it too. Sorry!

So does this mean you WIN the $1500 video driver prize? hahah!

[sandau]

And what's the meaning of 'boot camp'....hmmm, very odd beta terminology. What does this mean to our future..

[Vaxan]

Well the contest didn't say you had to develop the solution to win haha. Anyway, is this going to mean an end for OnMac.net, now that Apple has their own solution and drivers?

[goodechilde]

I am going to try to extract the driver cd creator and see if I can use that on my current xom install

Ill let you know how it goes

[RichP]

Yeah, going to install it now..its been real guys!

[sandau]

first missing step for me:

install firmware for imac from :
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/

[koltz]

Saw this in the ATI thread. Anyway, I believe we have to disable the xom.efi file as I have tried installing the update and when I restart, I get a loud tone with the reboot noise. It then goes back into the xom bootloader menu.

It looks like we will have to repartition and resetup windows also.

How do we bless the original bootloader?

Corey

[sandau]

same for me. I'm doing backups, probably a good time to do a fresh os x install now that we have a real solution.

i'm not happy about reinstalling os x, but i'm freakin ecstatic that apple released something WITH drivers! OMG PONIES!!

hehe.

[Kantara]

koltz

I believe that you can just go into system prefs - startup disk and select your OS X startup drive. The bless command just states what to boot up from and startup disk does the same. You can do it the unix way (Why? dunno but correct my command if it's wrong) by typing this into terminal:

sudo bless -folder /system/library/coreservices

But startup disk would do the same.

Kantara

[goodechilde]

Well speakers work (internal on MBP) and Bluetooth install, eject key works but ATI Driver failed to load, going to restart now

Oh yeah and startup disk menu installed

[DeathChill]

I am just interested in if I have to repartition my entire drive and reinstall OS X just to do this. Anyone confirm/deny/cry?

[koltz]

That got rid of the bootloader, but still didn't do the update. Just gave me the tone this time and booted into Mac OS X.

[NeoRicen]

According to Apple you can create a new Windows Partition with Boot Camp while leaving your OSX partition intact, so no you don't need to reinstall OSX.

[koltz]

But if the firmware isn't taking because of the XOM, we would have to do a fresh install of everything. I reblessed the original and still isn't taking, so a backup and format I think will be beneficial.

[sandau]

According to Apple you can create a new Windows Partition with Boot Camp while leaving your OSX partition intact, so no you don't need to reinstall OSX.

we realize this, but we are people that can't get the firmware to update to install and run boot camp, we just get a tone on reboot. So we might have to brick our installs and start from scratch because of our efi changes.

[Tip]

Better would be to start from scratch. Just because you only are allowed to have ONE partition on the drive. You can backup your OS X installation (carbon copy cloner) if you delete the xom-modifications (deleting the
hacked botloader) and copy ist back after rapartitioning.

Well I will start fron scratch again at least...

[Dakoman]

Better would be to start from scratch. Just because you only are allowed to have ONE partition on the drive. You can backup your OS X installation (carbon copy cloner) if you delete the xom-modifications (deleting the
hacked botloader) and copy ist back after rapartitioning.

Well I will start fron scratch again at least...

yep, i can't install the firmware update either.... any ideas?

i'll reformat & reinstall and report back on how it goes

[NeoRicen]

we realize this, but we are people that can't get the firmware to update to install and run boot camp, we just get a tone on reboot. So we might have to brick our installs and start from scratch because of our efi changes.
I was answering DeathChills questions, Is it right that all these problems you guys are having is because you have previously used the OnMac solution?

I'm desperately waiting to see how this solution fares when isntalled on a fresh mac (one that hasn't done the OnMac thing yet) and how well the video card drivers work and if games work.

[Londo T Boxer]

Well the firmware updated isn't working on my new (8612)REV-D replacement MacBook for the one that got toasty yesterday.

Damn u Apple, I appreciate the semi-offical blessing and support, but why couldn't you have done it yesterday so I didn't spend 4hrs last nite re-doing the system on the new machine.

[Londo T Boxer]

That is what I just got too... removed the bootloader and still tone... PRAM AWAY!

[koltz]

Yeah, but at least it is official from Apple. This will make my life easier when I order labs of Mac's for the HS this year. Will make Apple money. Anyway, I have to zero out my hard drive right now as it isn't liking the repartitioning from the xom install. Says 58 minutes. Who is trying the setup, maybe we should get some using Apple directions and some setting up two partitions with one staying empty to see if we can do that also?

Corey

[sandau]

this is going to make my car project a lot more interesting. I've been working on setting up a core solo mini with a 7" touchscreen...having the option of front row or some of the XP car solutions will be fabulous as the XP car solutions are much more robust with better options (for now) but I like the mini form factor and OS X / Front Row.

[sandau]

Yeah, but at least it is official from Apple. This will make my life easier when I order labs of Mac's for the HS this year. Will make Apple money.
Corey

I think this is going to make them a TON of money. They can sell the new iBook/MacBook to schools with options of both OS's available. I can't see how they can lose on that ticket.

However it does dilute the OS X experience...

[Dakoman]

Yeah, but at least it is official from Apple. This will make my life easier when I order labs of Mac's for the HS this year. Will make Apple money. Anyway, I have to zero out my hard drive right now as it isn't liking the repartitioning from the xom install. Says 58 minutes. Who is trying the setup, maybe we should get some using Apple directions and some setting up two partitions with one staying empty to see if we can do that also?

Corey

i've just erased the whole of my HD (17" iMac) and am about 60% through the install of OS X (on the second DVD now)

when its all up and running, i'll try and do the firmware update. if it doesnt work, it looks like the XOM stuff has ruined the EFI :(.

[glorfindeal]

So when it says that you can only have one partition on the drive, does this mean one XP partition or do I have to reformat my drive to have only one large partition? I prefer to have 2 mac partitions on the internal drive.

Thanks,


Glor

[Dakoman]

So when it says that you can only have one partition on the drive, does this mean one XP partition or do I have to reformat my drive to have only one large partition? I prefer to have 2 mac partitions on the internal drive.

Thanks,


Glor

at the moment i dont think anyone actually knows, no one has gone through the whole process yet (reformatting is a daunting task, eh? lucky for me i got my iMac yesterday so i dont need to worry about backups etf)

although it will partition your hard disk for you when installing XP

[RichP]

Im doing a complete refresh rather than try to patch anything up; I cant imagine this thing being able to replace that XOM driver that we have superglued into our windows installs.

[Londo T Boxer]

I think this is going to make them a TON of money. They can sell the new iBook/MacBook to schools with options of both OS's available. I can't see how they can lose on that ticket.

However it does dilute the OS X experience...

I must disagree. It give the use a undeinable way to see the Mac experience vs. the Windows experience on the same rock-stable hardware. And it has been great, even with the MacBook lite-solution we've had going so far.

Speaking from the higher-ed perspective, nothing has given me a better chance of keeping what Macs I have left in print/film/publishing courses and expanding them into the other labs. With "MUST BOOT XP" as a requirement on so many of the idiotic spec sheets, the pointy-haired admin's shove down our throats.

Being able to run BOTH OS's is a huge boon, and this really allows the MacBook Pro users to take advantage of the Intel XP optimized versions of Photoshop and the rest, which are markedly faster under XP on the MacBook compared to their emulated bretheren.

[Sonic McTails]

Damn it, due to the GUID/MBR paration map OnMac does, you simply can't convert to this. Ah. Reformat time.

[koltz]

As for the BootCamp partitioning, I believe it does partition modification and resizing. It still should be seperate partitions as Apple would have a hell of a time with getting XP to support HFS+. But I suppose they could setup a virtual drive format like VPC and build in that support into the new firmware.

30 minutes to go on my zeroing the drive.

[jer2eydevil88]

I can wish that this is the first step toward Apple licensing OS X out to other companies, I know I would buy the $550 Core Duo Dell if it came preloaded with OS X instead of Windows XP.

[celluloid hero]

Damn. And I spent so much time getting Windows on there in the first place :P

I kinda wish they hadn't done this officially in a sick twisted little way. Haha.

So...can I load up Mac OS X and just install Boot Camp? Or do I have to reformat everything?

[koltz]

So...can I load up Mac OS X and just install Boot Camp? Or do I have to reformat everything?
If you have the OnMac (xom) solution installed, you will need to reformat.

[Clive]

Hey this is not sure yet !!!
I DON't WANT to reformat !!!
Some post the 'official' Apple drivers first !!

[AEMV]

I can wish that this is the first step toward Apple licensing OS X out to other companies, I know I would buy the $550 Core Duo Dell if it came preloaded with OS X instead of Windows XP.


That is exactly why apple will never license OSX for PCs...because like you, thousends would NOT buy a mac. If they keep OSX closed, they guarantee people buy Macs.

[The Viking]

If you have the OnMac (xom) solution installed, you will need to reformat.

Dammit! I can't just update OSX (which unblesses the xom.efi), format the Windoze partition

Also: has anyone tried the Drivers CD Apple provides on the XOM install? I have 2 Intel Macs, and I'd hate to have to reformat them both:(

[celluloid hero]

If you have the OnMac (xom) solution installed, you will need to reformat.

thanks.

just to clarify: do I have to format all partitions?

Either way, I think I'm gonna wait to see if anyone has it working okay first.

[koltz]

Yes somebody posted a link in one of the driver threads. But I doubt the ATI driver will work as there still is no hook into the XOM efi file. It is loading a generic driver to get VGA working. So even with that, it shouldn't work. That is why people were trying to load a different BIOS.

[koltz]

thanks.

just to clarify: do I have to format all partitions?

Either way, I think I'm gonna wait to see if anyone has it working okay first.
Well I guess you do have a point, do you need to reformat the Windows partition. I guess somebody will try it. It is probably dependant on how Apple is loading the MBR partition and if it is the same as the XOM solution.

Corey

[Londo T Boxer]

Well I am blasting the XP partition right now on the new MacBook right now (ah hell...) to see if that will allow the firmware update....

I hope it's green. I'll let ya know.

[celluloid hero]

It is probably dependant on how Apple is loading the MBR partition and if it is the same as the XOM solution.

Corey

That's true. I'm sure it will function in largely the same way, but there will be some minor difference in the code to distinguish it from the 'amateur' method.

I just don't want to have to re-install the programs I've put onto OS X as well as all my music. It's just a hassle. I don't really have much on Windows yet so I don't mind reformatting that partition. I'd like to keep the Mac OS X one though.

[koltz]

I hear ya on the X partition. I just getting more into OS X yesterday installing more apps and such, but plugged in an external and copied over the apps. That is one nice thing about OS X, is for the most part, all files that a program requires are in that hidden directory within the application. So drag them over and it should be good.

I forgot I could cancel the zeroing after a few minutes and 30 minutes left for my installation (Apple time, about 2 hours).

Corey

[koltz]

Well I am blasting the XP partition right now on the new MacBook right now (ah hell...) to see if that will allow the firmware update....

I hope it's green. I'll let ya know.
Has less to do with the XP partition I believe, but let us know if it works. Might save some people some time. I have already blasted everything.

Corey

[slogan]

FYI: Apple Firmware Restore 1.0 for Intel Mac: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/29546

Hope we don't need to erase our disk

[GMR0780]

firmware restore doesnt work

[nickcirc]

and neither does zapping the Pram,
meh reformat :p

[tonymillion]

I had just wiped the XOM partition and reinstalled OSX on my macbook, due to never booting into windows (I'd only want it for games and the ATI drivers weren't running).. Then BAM apple release this..

I got it installed almost straight away, windows XP installed from my original without any hassle what so ever... lovely..

One problem I encountered was that after installing the driver CD my XP install would bluescreen on boot. I Booted into the last known good config. and tried the install again. after that windows XP has booted flawlessly since.

I've got steam, HL2 etc installed, they run fine, as well as Eve-Online. with full hardware acceleration..

AMAZING!!! :) :D

[nextrance]

First people complain because Apple isn't providing BIOS support.. then people complain when Apple provides not only a solution to install XP but also working drivers for most of it. :confused:

[koltz]

Well I believe OnMac owes Apple $1000 :)

[101]

I've tried everything to avoid reformatting my MBP... no luck.
This means backup (don't miss that part), reinstall MacOS and the XP... a long evening/night ahead...

I'll use CCC to backup my disk and then the Migration Assistant to recover all files, programs and settings. This way there is no need to reinstall all MacOX apps.

[Londo T Boxer]

Yea unblessed the xom.efi after nuking the XP partition and all I get is a beep and no love... Refortmatting the MacBook now. It's a background task at this point.... I knew going into the multi-OS was going to be a PITA.

I'm am glad I have not touched my trusty 867 TiBook... Humm away little G4... hum away.

[cnakeitaro]

This will get better. Take into account its a beta, oh wait and its a slap in a face after this whole contest. This is definitely the better route to take, especially since it doesn't pwn your MacOS partition. Although I wish Apple had found a way for both partitions to talk to each other under NTFS, although I know thats probably nearly impossible with how secure that file system is.

[Londo T Boxer]

It's worth it just for Apple's offical blessing, (not mention proper keyboard/video support). Now nothing is stopping me from replacing labs of aging Dell's with mini's and iMacs and getting the MacBook Pro on the approved buy list.

Runs Windows, check.... BITE MY FRUIT...

(blue bars, move across the screen, blue bars, I dream of thee, blue bars I hate you so, 89% completed?!? Just GO!)

[koltz]

I just finished the install, but now 10.4.6 to download/install.

[hiaw]

I can finally convince myself to order a MBP now. Been waiting for the video driver to work so that I can play civilization iv!!! Thank you everyone here who work so hard, and special thanks to apple 2!! *Get credit card out* :D

[koltz]

I am looking forward to playing FEAR again. Ran it on an X800 on a PC, the x1600 should be kicking.

Corey

[sdavis]

It's worth it just for Apple's offical blessing, (not mention proper keyboard/video support). Now nothing is stopping me from replacing labs of aging Dell's with mini's and iMacs and getting the MacBook Pro on the approved buy list.

Runs Windows, check.... BITE MY FRUIT...

(blue bars, move across the screen, blue bars, I dream of thee, blue bars I hate you so, 89% completed?!? Just GO!)

That is definately true... now companies will actually think about XP On MAC when they create new versions of their software...

and we might be able to buy ... 60+ iIMac's for a couple labs that we have on my campus... WEEE!!!

[glorfindeal]

has anyone been able to get the firmware update to work? When restart my iMac, I see the power light flashing, I hear the tone but instead of the update progress bar, the computer restarts. At reboot, it relaunches the updater again.


Glor

[AEMV]

Installing. very clean process.

Although I do like the select screen logos created by Narf and Blanka better than Apple's...

[namgorf]

This will get better. Take into account its a beta, oh wait and its a slap in a face after this whole contest. This is definitely the better route to take, especially since it doesn't pwn your MacOS partition. Although I wish Apple had found a way for both partitions to talk to each other under NTFS, although I know thats probably nearly impossible with how secure that file system is.

Does MacDrive see the OS X partion under WinXP?

[koltz]

has anyone been able to get the firmware update to work? When restart my iMac, I see the power light flashing, I hear the tone but instead of the update progress bar, the computer restarts. At reboot, it relaunches the updater again.


Glor
Sounds like you have the XOM setup still installed. Everybody so far is reformatting the whole hard drive and reinstalling OS X fresh. Won't install otherwise I believe.

[RichP]

Guys,
I have completed reinstall of OSX and WinXP using Bootcamp. Everything runs VERY VERY well. No install/missing file errors during win install. No errors in Windows, all drivers COMPLETELY work. 3d works, the eject key works, SPEAKERS work,bluetooth and wireless.

Thanks Apple!

[Londo T Boxer]

That is definately true... now companies will actually think about XP On MAC when they create new versions of their software...

and we might be able to buy ... 60+ iIMac's for a couple labs that we have on my campus... WEEE!!!

Where we are now is good for the hardcore users, and people like me who do a lot of development / training on both platforms, and want to carry one unit that can do it all seamlessly, legally, and use it as a way to get more users onto OS-X. And right now it cover's for Acrodobia and Microsoft's slothlike nature in producing universal binaries. (XP Photoshop CS on the MacBook is so much faster than the Rosetta emualted version it's amazing). And that's with the motely hacker drivers we had... Can't wait to see what the MacBook benches at when my full re-install is done.

Ultimately a vm-ware style solution is what I want. Keep XP sessions in the box, with OS-X as the primary OS... it will come. It's such a great time to be a computer nerd right now.

[bgd]

Is it possible to install only XP on the HDD after you've burned the driver CD or do you have to keep the dual-boot setup?

[macorama]

I got some answers for you guys trying to avaoid reformatting:

I extracted the Windows Drivers...exe file from the boot camp package. I installed it on the XP system installed with the blanka efi. All drivers install just fine, except the ATI card.

So the answer to the question "reformat or not" is a definate reformate.

The firmware can't handle the 2 different partions, i believe. As mentioned before, our xom.efi loader is not compatible and the 10.4.6 update and the new firmware are the bridge between the ati efi and the windows system.

Best regards!

[Sonic McTails]

Is it possible to install only XP on the HDD after you've burned the driver CD or do you have to keep the dual-boot setup?

I'm not sure WHY you would want to do this, but the Apple Boot Camp requires dual-booting. The XpOnMac solution can work without Mac OS X. Essentially, you want to do this: Install OSX and create the Boot Camp disc to get all the drivers. Download and install XpOnMac, and skip to the part where you bless it. Reboot, select Windows, and install it. That should do it. That being said, I would recommend leaving an HFS+ paration around for install XOM upgrades. However, why do you want a mac if you want to just run Windows.

[Dakoman]

WOW this thing is stable (its xp, so not for long!) and fast, everything works straight out of the box (even ctrl-alt-del!)

im installing steam now, for some HL2 action!!

[ukmountie]

I had just wiped the XOM partition and reinstalled OSX on my macbook, due to never booting into windows (I'd only want it for games and the ATI drivers weren't running).. Then BAM apple release this..

I got it installed almost straight away, windows XP installed from my original without any hassle what so ever... lovely..

One problem I encountered was that after installing the driver CD my XP install would bluescreen on boot. I Booted into the last known good config. and tried the install again. after that windows XP has booted flawlessly since.

I've got steam, HL2 etc installed, they run fine, as well as Eve-Online. with full hardware acceleration..

AMAZING!!! :) :D

Eve... The one reason I want windows on my MacBook Pro. Life is very good :D

[koltz]

Ok, we know this works, does anybody want to experiment with Vista :)

[mac wilson]

curious about suspend hibernation, power options, etc.

Booting form hibernation would be nice

[lothar250]

Show some photos guys! Please!!! And do some 3d benchmarks for comparison to the windooze machines!

Great job APPLE!

[RichP]

Show some photos guys! Please!!! And do some 3d benchmarks for comparison to the windooze machines!

Great job APPLE!

Whats an appropriate prog to benchmark with and i will.

[rsang2]

http://www.futuremark.com/download/

use this soft to bechmark windows. This benchmark is specifically for gaming. Its great.

[beejybone]

Any enterprising soul want to try installing Linux? mmmmmm...triple boot...

[cal6n]

Whats an appropriate prog to benchmark with and i will.

http://www.cinebench.com/

Runs under windows and OS X

[ender78]

I tried the installer but the parition wont create [verification fails]. Tells me to repair my startup disk. Can onyone give me more details as to what to do?

[Trombone_Bob]

Does anybody else think that this is strange that Apple has a solution after the source code is releasted? If you look at the screen shots from http://images.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/pdf/Boot_Camp_Beta_Setup_Guide.pdf
Look at step 3. The setup looks like the screen from xom. Also on page 14 of the pdf you see that you can choose your startup disk. See how the windows folder is called "NO NAME" just like xom.

[thebalaa]

this is good stuff, has anyone tried it yet?
im installing now.

[Smoothy]

Does the isight work?

Smooth

[koltz]

I am downloading both futuremark tests right now (3d and PC). Finishing up the XP SP2 install shortly, then drivers. Will burn these bench marks to CD and give it a run.

Install is very smooth for the most part outside of having to reformat everything. Much easier/cleaner than xom.

As for Apple copying xom, I doubt it. Apple has been rumored to be supporting virtualization for a while now, and this is a first step. I think they just released it public because they saw there was a demand for it.

Corey

[f00kie]

Does the isight work?

Smooth

Nope, it doesn't.

[DarthOverlord]

It figures, after I get my Mac Mini Solo on Monday, install XOM on Tuesday, this comes out on Thursday.

Anyway, I was waiting to install XOM on my MBP until the ATI drivers were ready, so now I assume they are.

I am at work, so I will not get to this until tonight. I have three copies of Windows XP SP2 Upgrade and Windows MCE 2005 OEM. Has anyone had any luck using these to install with Boot Camp? Is there a way for me to use the upgrade discs, since I already installed MCE on the Mac Mini?

This is a great month for Intel Mac users!!!!

[toxic_waste]

Cant wait to see some BENCHMARKS. Bet they run faster then most other compareable note books...:D

REMEMBER TO ADD WHAT GRAPHICS CARD YOU HAVE WHEN POSTING BENCHMARKS 256mb or 128mb
:rolleyes:

[koltz]

Video Drivers WON'T work with xom's installation.

Apple states in the PDF (and website I believe) it won't work with Upgrade or MCE, just HOME/Pro SP2.

Corey

[RichP]

Im DL'ing the benchmarks right now... need to get some work done though!

[celluloid hero]

I'm not 100% sure how I'm supposed to reformat the various partitions (I've done the onmac install). Do I just do it through Disk Utility?

could someone please explain the steps for going back from the OnMac version of the dualboot to the Boot Camp one?

thanks very much.

[koltz]

I'm not 100% sure how I'm supposed to reformat the various partitions (I've done the onmac install). Do I just do it through Disk Utility?

could someone please explain the steps for going back from the OnMac version of the dualboot to the Boot Camp one?

thanks very much.
The BootCamp does it for you. Just follow the PDF instructions, very simple.

[RichP]

Computer goes to sleep, with snoozing sleep light, when closed, comes right back when opened (MBP with windows)

[celluloid hero]

Thank you. One more question...do I need to create a new slipstream CD of XP with SP2? I ask because the initial disc made had the patch in it...

[Smoothy]

You would have thought that if Apple allow you to install xp on your intel mac, that they would allow ichat to support msn!!! Gives me a headache.

Smooth

[Londo T Boxer]

Thank you. One more question...do I need to create a new slipstream CD of XP with SP2? I ask because the initial disc made had the patch in it...

Use a clean original XPSP2 cd, not a slipstreamed one. In the last phase of the Windows XP install on my MacBook as I type this. Very smooth.

[koltz]

Ok, just about to run the PC benchmarks. Should have results shortly. 3D Marks will be a bit as I am still downloading (600 meg download)

Corey

[Frischluft]

Anybody sucessfull on a Mini yet? When windows setup is done copyiing it's files the screen turns black and nothing happens. when i reboot the copiing starts again.....

[koltz]

It has a cool little icon in the lower left that allows you to control the brightness :)

[Frischluft]

It has a cool little icon in the lower left that allows you to control the brightness :)

Is this reply for me?

[koltz]

No, general post about a feature.

[pokarney]

This may be a stupid question, but does XP require you to activate it when installed with boot camp? I have an original XP Pro cd here at work and was wondering if it would install on my mac since I had already used it on one of our windows machines.

Thanks

[celluloid hero]

I'm still unclear as to what I'm supposed to do now. I've downloaded the Boot Camp application and 'installed' it. Am I now supposed to erase the entire hard disk through Disk Utility, then re-install Mac OS and THEN begin the procedure of installing Boot Camp?

Sorry for the nooby questions, I'm just kinda confused.

[Sonic McTails]

I'm still unclear as to what I'm supposed to do now. I've downloaded the Boot Camp application and 'installed' it. Am I now supposed to erase the entire hard disk through Disk Utility, then re-install Mac OS and THEN begin the procedure of installing Boot Camp?

Sorry for the nooby questions, I'm just kinda confused.

Boot Camp resizes the HFS+ paration on the drive. Simply install it on a single paration machine and then let it resize.

[Smoothy]

'm still unclear as to what I'm supposed to do now. I've downloaded the Boot Camp application and 'installed' it. Am I now supposed to erase the entire hard disk through Disk Utility, then re-install Mac OS and THEN begin the procedure of installing Boot Camp?

Sorry for the nooby questions, I'm just kinda confused.
Today 06:20 PM

From what i have gathered, if you have installed xp on mac, aka the xom and that, then yes you have to reformat and start again. But if not then your free to go, run the installer package thats in the dmg

Smooth

[Londo T Boxer]

well my macbook has now been to bootcamp. Windows seems evem snappier, but I am sure that has everything to do with the video issues (128mb)

[celluloid hero]

That's the problem though: I don't have a single partition drive anymore, since putting the dual boot thing on. How do I return the drive to a single partition, ready to install Boot Camp? That's all I really need to know.

[mac wilson]

Hibernation?

[koltz]

This may be a stupid question, but does XP require you to activate it when installed with boot camp? I have an original XP Pro cd here at work and was wondering if it would install on my mac since I had already used it on one of our windows machines.

Thanks
Yes, it requires you to activate within 30 days. So you have until then to get a code if you can't use that one (which wouldn't be legal).

Corey

[koltz]

That's the problem though: I don't have a single partition drive anymore, since putting the dual boot thing on. How do I return the drive to a single partition, ready to install Boot Camp? That's all I really need to know.
You will need to reformat and repartition with the disk utility.

[compufix]

On a 20" iMac I had to totally re-partition and do the FREESPACE thing mentioned on here....then re-install OSX, update to 10.4.6, and install the firmware....

Installed Bootcamp, made the driver CD (which supposedly does everything but iSight and IR Retmote) and am in the process of doing the XP install now...in full screen DOS mode 8-)....

-Compufix

[KublaKhan]

I guess this mean it's time to trade my Mac in for one that doesn't get so hot and make the whining noise....

Whoohoo!

By the way, does anyone know what I should do with my 13GB of video I'm editing on my Mac... I don't know how to repartion my external harddrive... and I don't know if I have enough space on it anyway... hmmm.

I'm soo excited... going to the Apple store after class... hopefully (no homework please - I'll go anyway... my Mac is more important ;).

Is anyone else feeling as happy as I am? I'm going crazy!


P.S. I think XOM should still be developed... you never know if this will be free... this just makes the whole driver thing alot easier.

[mac wilson]

it will be free as Apple said it will be in the next version of OSX (which i'm not sure if they charge for that)

hibernation?

[koltz]

Almost done with PC Mark 2005, and finished downloading 3D Mark. Umm, PC Mark 05 came up with 3476. My config is a MBP 2.0, 2 GB Ram, otherwise everything the same. Didn't show CPU benchmark though. I am installing 3D Mark now.

Update: I forgot, I have the 120 GB 5400 RPM HD. So that might slow things down.

[ender78]

Windows installed OK but I aborted the Driver Install as it crashed. I now have no keyboard or mouse support [Internal or External]. I'd like suggestions on how to fix this.

[toxic_waste]

Almost done with PC Mark 2005, and finished downloading 3D Mark. Umm, PC Mark 05 came up with 3476. My config is a MBP 2.0, 2 GB Ram, otherwise everything the same. Didn't show CPU benchmark though. I am installing 3D Mark now.

Update: I forgot, I have the 120 GB 5400 RPM HD. So that might slow things down.

256MB x1600?????

[tobyg]

Windows installed OK but I aborted the Driver Install as it crashed. I now have no keyboard or mouse support [Internal or External]. I'd like suggestions on how to fix this.

Not having tried it yet, but it sounds as simple as booting up and holding option down, insert windows cd and boot from it. Start over by reinstalling/reformatting the partition.

Why would you abort the driver install? That's almost as bad as aborting a firmware update in the middle by pulling out the plug.

[koltz]

256MB x1600?????
Yup, 256 on video. Running 3dMark right now, when done, will post.

[tobyg]

Yup, 256 on video. Running 3dMark right now, when done, will post.

Post soon! I'm super anxious to see these numbers. *refresh*

[FrostyFire]

So blessing the original boot loader won't make it work?

[mrbass]

These aren't huge issues (taken from FAQ) but no right clicking without using an external mouse may be a bummer for many. The sound issue seems like they'll correct it perhaps in the next beta hopefully.

Ordered a MPB 1.83 today (and two 1GB ram chips) based solely on this apple news alone and should have it tomorrow to try all this stuff out.

While booted into Windows XP, I still hear sound coming from the built-in speaker even with headphones plugged in.

The Boot Camp Beta audio driver for Windows XP does not currently support rerouting sound.

Does the MacBook Pro trackpad work the same in Windows XP as it does in Mac OS X?

Basic tracking works, but acceleration, scrolling, and right-click support are not available in Windows.

[f00kie]

The Boot Camp Beta audio driver for Windows XP does not currently support rerouting sound.

That kind of sucks.

[Aleman]

OK, I'm posting this through XP on my 2 GHz, 2 GB, 256 X1600 MacBook Pro and I must say.... this is by far the fastest Windows computer I've ever used. Oh they irony!

Notes:

-It is unbelievably responsive. Installation was smooth, without any hitches and took around 45 minutes (not including the time installing Boot Camp, burning the drivers CD, and slipstreaming myself an SP2 disc).

-I used an XP Upgrade disc btw and it worked without any problems. That may because it's a volume license disc though.

-Also, in OS X my MacBook makes that high-pitched hissing noise when the MagSafe is plugged in. In XP, it doesn't.

-Apple added a little icon in the taskbar with a slider to control screen brightness since the keys don't work.

-The eject disc key works

-ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work, but ctrl-shift-esc does.

-The MacBook display actually makes Windows look good.

[koltz]

Ok, here are the results:

3dMark - 1519
SM2.0 Score - 523
GT1 - Return to Proxycon 4.021 fps
GT2 - Firefly Forest 4.073 fps
HDR/SM3.0 Score - 569
HDR1 - Canyon Flight 5.086 fps
HDR2 - Deep Freeze 6.298 fps
CPU Score 1669
CPU1 - Red Valley 0.529 fps
CPU1 - Red Valley 0.842 fps

Feature Tests all came up as N/A?

Batch Size Tests all N/A? Oh, I don't think I ran them. Will run again with them selected.

Update: Sorry, can't change anything with free version.

[f00kie]

Ok, here are the results:

3dMark - 1519
SM2.0 Score - 523
GT1 - Return to Proxycon 4.021 fps
GT2 - Firefly Forest 4.073 fps
HDR/SM3.0 Score - 569
HDR1 - Canyon Flight 5.086 fps
HDR2 - Deep Freeze 6.298 fps
CPU Score 1669
CPU1 - Red Valley 0.529 fps
CPU1 - Red Valley 0.842 fps

Feature Tests all came up as N/A?

Batch Size Tests all N/A? Oh, I don't think I ran them. Will run again with them selected.

Update: Sorry, can't change anything with free version.

Not bad, although slightly below what the Acer Travelmate 8xxx gets (viewed through Orb). I guess there could still be some tweaking done. Overall, this will be enough to play CS. :)

[toxic_waste]

Ok, here are the results:

3dMark - 1519
SM2.0 Score - 523
GT1 - Return to Proxycon 4.021 fps
GT2 - Firefly Forest 4.073 fps
HDR/SM3.0 Score - 569
HDR1 - Canyon Flight 5.086 fps
HDR2 - Deep Freeze 6.298 fps
CPU Score 1669
CPU1 - Red Valley 0.529 fps
CPU1 - Red Valley 0.842 fps

Feature Tests all came up as N/A?

Batch Size Tests all N/A? Oh, I don't think I ran them. Will run again with them selected.

Update: Sorry, can't change anything with free version.

I'm sorry but...

What hardware are you using and what 3dmark version ???????????

SIMPLE QUESTIONS PEOPLE::: Pls get these in your posts :S

[tobyg]

Ok, here are the results:

3dMark - 1519
SM2.0 Score - 523
GT1 - Return to Proxycon 4.021 fps
GT2 - Firefly Forest 4.073 fps
HDR/SM3.0 Score - 569
HDR1 - Canyon Flight 5.086 fps
HDR2 - Deep Freeze 6.298 fps
CPU Score 1669
CPU1 - Red Valley 0.529 fps
CPU1 - Red Valley 0.842 fps

Feature Tests all came up as N/A?

Batch Size Tests all N/A? Oh, I don't think I ran them. Will run again with them selected.

Update: Sorry, can't change anything with free version.

What version of 3dMark was this? 06? 05?

Can you submit them to the online results browser and give us a link?

Thanks!

[koltz]

Guess you weren't following the thread. 06 straight download running on a MBP2.0, 2GB RAM, 120 GB HD (5400rpm).

I will post the results file. Just ran it again also, so it my be a little different.

Corey

[tobyg]

Guess you weren't following the thread. 06 straight download running on a MBP2.0, 2GB RAM, 120 GB HD (5400rpm).

I will post the results file. Just ran it again also, so it my be a little different.

Corey
I was following the thread. I knew your hardware, but all I saw you say was "I'm downloading 3DMark"... no version.

Thanks!

[koltz]

Pages ago, I mentioned I was downloading PC Mark 05 and 3D Mark 06. Doesn't matter anyway. Second run, here are the results:

3DMark - 1524
SM2.0 Score - 526
HDR/SM3.0 Score - 570
CPU Score - 1670

[FrostyFire]

Will reinstalling OSX format the drive? I really don't want to install all the OSX software again.

[dirtymatt]

Does anybody else think that this is strange that Apple has a solution after the source code is releasted? If you look at the screen shots from http://images.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/pdf/Boot_Camp_Beta_Setup_Guide.pdf
Look at step 3. The setup looks like the screen from xom. Also on page 14 of the pdf you see that you can choose your startup disk. See how the windows folder is called "NO NAME" just like xom.

No, I don't. Trust me, Apple didn't steal the XOM source code. As for step 3, no that doesn't look like the screen from xom. In the xom solution there were two fat32 partitions, one EFI, one created in Mac OS X. Apple's method has two unknown partitions in there. That's just what Windows looks like when you install.

Apple did not steal this.

[koltz]

Will reinstalling OSX format the drive? I really don't want to install all the OSX software again.
IF YOU HAVE THE XOM BOOT METHOD INSTALLED, YOU HAVE TO REFORMAT EVERYTHING. Sorry for yelling, but I have posted that many times today. There are no if's, and's, or but's about it if you want to use this solution.

[thebalaa]

why would the have to? this should have been released with Tiger...

You guys are looking at this the wrong way...
I dont care what apple releases, someone else did it first. Now we can steal from apple and make our solution even better.




open source til death

[scenespin]

it's all going to be open source still. the development that's been done here, is miles ahead in regards to the tweaking world. if the ATI drivers for OnMac are even remotely close to being finished, I'm sure these Apple drivers will just serve as a benchmark to be better and more robust.

ps. The last time I reinstalled OSX with the XOM loader, some of the images used in the System Prefs menu were swapped with others. Anyone else ever experience that?

[FrostyFire]

I appreciated the yelling, 'cause now I believe you haha :) .

[koltz]

why would the have to? this should have been released with Tiger...

You guys are looking at this the wrong way...
I dont care what apple releases, someone else did it first. Now we can steal from apple and make our solution even better.


1. People want a solution now. So the people who want it now will take the time to reinstall.

2. It is officially supported by Apple who has direct links to ATI and Intel. They will be releasing updated drivers as time goes. Plus it is smart to use their solution as when they update to 10.5, you probably will be good to go. Trust me, I have been using X since the 10.0 days, and Apple loves to break stuff like this.

3. Open Source is great, but Apple is releasing this free. How don't we know Apple has had this working before the xom release was done? They aren't allowed to publicize it until Jobs approves of it. They probably had CSM in an early stage for a long while. And if they didn't, they have the resources to make a solution quicker than OS.

I do believe this site and the contest has pushed them harder showing demand. So they are releasing it early to people who want to "test" it. Apple didn't have to do this and just had us all wait. I prefer being able to get my laptop 100% now.

[sdavis]

they are pulling a "google" and "microsoft" with the beta thing. they just throw stuff out there and if it breaks they can say "its in beta wait for the new release"

but its all good and so is onmac.net

[thebalaa]

point taken, but the only reason to reformat would be to get your video working with 3d acceleratoin

if i can dump the vbios of a macbook running windows with bootcamp(what im doing now) then we will have a working video solution for everyone:)

no reformat required, I would like to encourage everyone to hold off on the reformatting until we are for sure that this cannot be done..

$1600 dollars anyone?

[sdavis]

i wouldnt reboot, but the iIMac that i am using isnt mine... its a loaner from Apple... i have to mail it back in a few weeks... but if people have their macs up and running with the xom.efi and everything just wait a little bit.... im sure that drivers will be working soon enough for that...

[Amazingant]

ok, well i say we need to just carry on and make this work out better than apple's bootcamp thing. Open Source has made Openoffice and linux and many other programs great. With a good community of people working together, we should beable to get this working fully, without the Beta label before apple does. If we don't make it, at least we tryed and made a stand.

edit:

great idea here, lets do like thebalaa said and take the settings from bootcamp and use it to improve this. if they can mess with us, we can mess with them.

[koltz]

point taken, but the only reason to reformat would be to get your video working with 3d acceleratoin

if i can dump the vbios of a macbook running windows with bootcamp(what im doing now) then we will have a working video solution for everyone:)

no reformat required, I would like to encourage everyone to hold off on the reformatting until we are for sure that this cannot be done..

$1600 dollars anyone?
Actually to get everything except the camera working. Camera is seen, just can't be used.

Also think of it this way. If your hardware burns up with even Apples beta solution, it is their fault and they will replace the equipment. If it burns up with xom (or other) solution, Apple can quicly say, warranty is null and void. I am not saying that the xom is a bad solution, it was the first and got me working. But working in a K-12 school district, looking at purchasing a bunch of these for next school year because they dual-boot, the administrator will definitely give the go ahead because Apple is supporting it. Then you know other vendors like Deep Freeze (security software) and others will end up supporting it somehow also.

Xom should continue to develop along with BAMBIOS and anything else. Competition makes people/companies take notice and work harder. It is when they don't have any competition (Microsoft), is when they get lazy.

Corey

[schalliol]

Some have suggested that this dilutes the OS X experience, though I contend that this allows people to buy the machine and put Windows on it, though I would be shocked if many would buy the machine to never boot to OS X. Instead, I would think they'd keep the windows partition for applications they don't have on the Mac-side, and they would purchase new applications when necessary for OS X.

[rainierez]

I'm trying to get thru this but it craps out when it tryes to make the partition.

I have yet to do anything to this box and was waiting for this kind of solution to come along. But it is keeps throwing this error. Any one know what it means??

http://web.mac.com/rainierez/iWeb/Main%20site/Photos%20and%20Videos_files/Error-1.jpg

[koltz]

What system are you running? Post your specs?

[neilio]

Crap. I got a blue screen during the initial install when XP started installing drivers. I just started over again and am formatting the partition, but this time I unplugged my USB hub and firewire hub, and am just running with the Apple-provided keyboard and Ethernet plugged in.

I'll post back with the results if I get through the install this time.

Interesting that I had absolutely no problems installing XP with the xom solution, but such is life.

(On 20" iMac)

[koltz]

Oh, don't click on the USB Camera. Gives you a nice rememberence that it is a Windows box (blue screen of death).

Corey

[hadleydb]

Oh, don't click on the USB Camera. Gives you a nice rememberence that it is a Windows box (blue screen of death).

Corey


:D I experienced that last night on my Onmac install.

[Trombone_Bob]

Apple did not include a driver for the TPM chip on the motherboard. When you go into the device manager you see 2 things listed under "Unknown Device" on is called PCI Device the other is called Unknown Device. The Unknown Device is the TPM chip. IF you download the file from here http://support.samsung.de/fileview.aspx?modelcode=NP-X60&fileid=849990&fileType=DR you can install it manualy and have one less unknown device

[schalliol]

I'm trying to get thru this but it craps out when it tryes to make the partition.

I have yet to do anything to this box and was waiting for this kind of solution to come along. But it is keeps throwing this error. Any one know what it means??

http://web.mac.com/rainierez/iWeb/Main%20site/Photos%20and%20Videos_files/Error-1.jpg
I got the error initially you are sowing here, but after starting up from the MBP included OS X disc one and choosing Disk Utility from the installer menu, I fixed the drive and then the partition worked.

[rainierez]

This is my specs
HD: 100 gig 5400rpm This drive hasn't been partitioned or messed with at all since brand new.

Other specs
Machine Name: MacBook Pro 15"
Machine Model: MacBookPro1,1
CPU Type: Intel Core Duo
Number Of Cores: 2
CPU Speed: 2 GHz
L2 Cache (shared): 2 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 667 MHz
Boot ROM Version: MBP11.0055.B02

[rainierez]

when you say fixed the drive what did you/ the disk utility do?? (I tryed running the disk utility that gets install the first time you run that disk and didn't know what to do....I don't have the disk with me here.. i guess i will have to wait till i get home

[sdavis]

did you boot off the DVD and "Verify" and "Repair" the drive from the disk utilities menu?

[rainierez]

did you boot off the DVD and "Verify" and "Repair" the drive from the disk utilities menu?
I got the error initially you are sowing here, but after starting up from the MBP included OS X disc one and choosing Disk Utility from the installer menu, I fixed the drive and then the partition worked.

No I don't have the disk with me here yet.

[Trombone_Bob]

You need to reformat the drive and choose a GUID boot record. In Disk Utility it is under the options to choose when you are partitioning the drive.

[DarthOverlord]

Anyone figure out a way to use the Windows XP Upgrade version that is not volume licensed to install onto the MBP?

[imapetert]

Okay, I just saw this now for the first time ... this whole "Apple Endorsed" thing.

And then I crapped my pants, right here in the campus coffee shop.

[hadleydb]

Any microsoft beta testers out there with a copy of vista to try on it? :D

(I know they say Windows XP Home and Professional only)

[scenespin]

Everyone please remember that the promlems you're having with Blue Screens, freezing and so forth, are what Windows users have been coping with for years.

This is all normal behavior for XP machines. Always has been, and probably always will be. We've been spoilled rotten with OSX, so a few bugs here and there with XP aren't the end of the 'crap, and i just reformatted, again.' game.

Happy dubooting!

[schalliol]

Yes, I chose to repair the disk and while at it also repair the permissions. On the OS X install CD, you probably won't immediately notice the menu at the top of the screen, but there you can select the disk utility application and "Repair" your drive. Following that, quit the app, cancel the OS X install and be on your way.

[LittleBuddha]

Any microsoft beta testers out there with a copy of vista to try on it? :D

(I know they say Windows XP Home and Professional only)

Check out
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/174096756/m/385003158731/p/7

and:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53574906@N00/123865414/

The Little Buddha

[hadleydb]

Check out
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/174096756/m/385003158731/p/7

and:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53574906@N00/123865414/

The Little Buddha


Cool thanks!

[Frischluft]

Everyone please remember that the promlems you're having with Blue Screens, freezing and so forth, are what Windows users have been coping with for years.

This is all normal behavior for XP machines. Always has been, and probably always will be. We've been spoilled rotten with OSX, so a few bugs here and there with XP aren't the end of the 'crap, and i just reformatted, again.' game.

Happy dubooting!

lol. Hell no. You have not been spoiled by osx but by propaganda.
I have had OSX crashing more often durig the few compiles of my software on the mac than i ever had with windows during the last few years.

[scenespin]

Compiling software is a whole other beast. Propaganda's all fun and stuff ;) but switching to OSX from a long time with XP years ago really made a huge difference for creative suites of software.

[MC8489]

You need to reformat the drive and choose a GUID boot record. In Disk Utility it is under the options to choose when you are partitioning the drive.

I do not have the "Options" button. It goes Split, Delete, Revert, Partition from left to right. How can I get that to come up?

[Frischluft]

Compiling software is a whole other beast. Propaganda's all fun and stuff ;) but switching to OSX from a long time with XP years ago really made a huge difference for creative suites of software.


Actually compiling itself is easy and unproblemtatic. Networking with a pc was the problem aparently. Anyway. Just wanted to point out that having blue screens and crashes all over is defenetly not an every day problem.

[MC8489]

I do not have the "Options" button. It goes Split, Delete, Revert, Partition from left to right. How can I get that to come up?

Found the fix to my question here (http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=138&highlight=GUID). Phew! I thought something got messed up badly along the way.

[Londo T Boxer]

MacBook Pro 1.83ghz 1gb RAM - 80gb drive.

Using PC Mark 2004 I got 5816 PC Marks :
(My athlon XP-3000 SATA 7200 desktop w/Gforce 6600 (256mb) gets 2883)
Central Processing Unit
Manufacturer Intel
Family Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz
Internal Clock 46.0 MHz
Internal Clock Maximum 1830.0 MHz
External Clock 166.0 MHz
Socket Designation U2E1
Type Central
Upgrade ZIF Socket
HyperThreadingTechnology Available - 2 Logical Processors
Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, SSE, SSE2
Version Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz

PCMark04
Version 1.0.0
HDD drive C
System Suite run optimized Yes
CPU Suite run optimized Yes
PCMark 5 KPCMarks
CPU 4875.0
Memory 3625.0
Graphics 2719.0
HDD 0.0
File Compression 6.1 MB/s
File Encryption 53.1 MB/s
File Decompression 48.1 MB/s
Image Processing 21.3 MPixels/s
Virus Scanning 4385.6 MB/s
Grammar Check 4.5 KB/s
File Decryption 43.1 MB/s
Audio Conversion 2771.2 KB/s
Web Page Rendering 4.2 Pages/s
WMV Video Compression 70.7 FPS
DivX Video Compression 52.5 FPS
Physics Calculation and 3D 192.7 FPS
Graphics Memory - 64 lines 1438.0 FPS
File Compression 6.1 MB/s
File Encryption 51.7 MB/s
File Decompression 47.6 MB/s
Image Processing 21.9 MPixels/s
Grammar Check 3.9 KB/s
File Decryption 43.7 MB/s
Audio Conversion 2756.1 KB/s
WMV Video Compression 73.9 FPS
DivX Video Compression 58.7 FPS
Raw Block Read - 8 MB 3964.0 MB/s
Raw Block Read - 4 MB 4480.2 MB/s
Raw Block Read - 192 KB 7110.5 MB/s
Raw Block Read - 4 KB 10706.1 MB/s
Raw Block Write - 8 MB 2811.7 MB/s
Raw Block Write - 4 MB 2756.9 MB/s
Raw Block Write - 192 KB 7076.1 MB/s
Raw Block Write - 4 KB 11729.5 MB/s
Raw Block Copy - 8 MB 1687.2 MB/s
Raw Block Copy - 4 MB 2145.6 MB/s
Raw Block Copy - 192 KB 5772.2 MB/s
Raw Block Copy - 4 KB 11266.5 MB/s
Random Access - 8 MB 2825.0 MB/s
Random Access - 4 MB 2894.2 MB/s
Random Access - 192 KB 5064.3 MB/s
Random Access - 4 KB 7469.1 MB/s
Transparent Windows 892.8 Windows/s
Graphics Memory - 16 lines 1713.2 FPS
Graphics Memory - 32 lines 1609.6 FPS
3D - Fill Rate Single Texturing 762.9 MTexels/s
3D - Fill Rate Multitexturing 1113.4 MTexels/s
3D - Polygon Throughput Single Light 31.6 MTriangles/s
3D - Polygon Throughput Multiple Lights 10.2 MTriangles/s

[scenespin]

Holy shit.

[cawaker]

HAHA yeah holy shit is right.

[jimmyraiden]

@ Trombone_Bob

What is a TPM chip?
What does it do?
Why do we need it?

Thanks a ton!

[f00kie]

HAHA yeah holy shit is right.

Is it good, or you mean "holy shit" because there was so much data posted by the poster.

[scenespin]

No, that's really, really good for beta drivers. See; unheard of.

[Smoothy]

Can anyone post some better pictures of the boot selector? Its a bit on the small side on the apple webpage.

Thanks

Smooth

[neilio]

Has anyone had problems with a Belkin 6-port firewire hub? If I have mine plugged in I get a hardware error on boot. If I shut down and unplug it, however, XP boots without a problem.

[hokutorii]

Can anyone post some better pictures of the boot selector? Its a bit on the small side on the apple webpage.


Wow this runs amazing, I can play Roller Coaster Tycoon at full graphics on my MBP!!!! As for the boot selector, its just the one that's built into all Macs. Just reboot and hold down the option key, that's all it is. It just looks different because they made it look nicer on the Intel Macs but its the same thing that's been in Macs since day 1.

[Smoothy]

Wow this runs amazing, I can play Roller Coaster Tycoon at full graphics on my MBP!!!! As for the boot selector, its just the one that's built into all Macs. Just reboot and hold down the option key, that's all it is. It just looks different because they made it look nicer on the Intel Macs but its the same thing that's been in Macs since day 1.
Thanks, I could make out that the icons had changed. Is the back-lit keyboard supported in xp?

Smooth

[SiliconAddict]

Well the firmware updated isn't working on my new (8612)REV-D replacement MacBook for the one that got toasty yesterday.

Damn u Apple, I appreciate the semi-offical blessing and support, but why couldn't you have done it yesterday so I didn't spend 4hrs last nite re-doing the system on the new machine.


Don't bitch. You are used a hacked up EFI to get Windows running. This is the #1 reason why I didn't run out and install Windows when a "solution" was found. It isn't Apple's fault that you hacked your computer up.

[cawaker]

Yes i meant what Scenespin said.

I will be backing up my whole system and nuking the drive and playing me some HL2 tonight!

[Londo T Boxer]

^ Hope I didn't go overly Spock on the datastream, but I know that version of the app, and those are some of the best scores I've seen on any laptop by a fair bit.

/It really is smoking fast in UT2004, Of course it's taken five hours today re-installing the entire MacBook. FWEEEEE... ;p

Alcohol 120%, Nero running great. UT2004. Photoshop CS spanks Photoshop CS on MacOS-X/ CS2 on intel seems about twice as fast as Photoshop CS on the emulated mac side. Woo! It's confusing, the PC side is so fast I might do some more Pshop work on it than I was expecting until the universary binary for the mac crawls out the door.

[Trombone_Bob]

@ Trombone_Bob

What is a TPM chip?
What does it do?
Why do we need it?

Thanks a ton!
Well it is the chip that Mac OS X looks for to load coregraphics.kext (or whatever its called) As far as why do you need it well you dont but its one less "unknown device"

[glorfindeal]

I'm not 100% sure how I'm supposed to reformat the various partitions (I've done the onmac install). Do I just do it through Disk Utility?

could someone please explain the steps for going back from the OnMac version of the dualboot to the Boot Camp one?

thanks very much.

Unfortunately you have to use disk utility (applications/utilities) to restore the hard drive to one partition. I experimented and the bootcamp utility insists that the internal drive have only one partition. As a matter of fact, if you don't get rid of the partition that was created by the onmac process, you can not install the firmware update.

Glor

[Smoothy]

^ Hope I didn't go overly Spock on the datastream, but I know that version of the app, and those are some of the best scores I've seen on any laptop by a fair bit.

/It really is smoking fast in UT2004, Of course it's taken five hours today re-installing the entire MacBook. FWEEEEE... ;p

Alcohol 120%, Nero running great. UT2004. Photoshop CS spanks Photoshop CS on MacOS-X/ CS2 on intel seems about twice as fast as Photoshop CS on the emulated mac side. Woo! It's confusing, the PC side is so fast I might do some more Pshop work on it than I was expecting until the universary binary for the mac crawls out the door.
How about corel draw 12 or 13, anybody know how fast that runs. It really pi**ed me off when they dropped mac support.

Smooth

[Trombone_Bob]

I dont know if anybody has stated it yet but I have booted a knoppix 4.2 disk now using the new firmware. So it seems that the new firmware includes a CSM.

[aiongiant]

Macdrive doesn't seem to work with the new boot camp???
i have version 6.03 but it didn't see any mac drives

also i dunno if it's normal but i still got some missing drivers on device manger not sure if thats normal??

*edit
sorry...it works under version 6.08!

[tdar]

Macdrive doesn't seem to work with the new boot camp???
i have version 6.03 but it didn't see any mac drives

also i dunno if it's normal but i still got some missing drivers on device manger not sure if thats normal??

*edit
sorry...it works under version 6.08!

try 6.1....it adds support for GPT drives

[Golashes]

Working spectacularly on my 17" iMac.


Sorry if this has been answered, but can I resize the Windows partition to be a bit bigger without losing data on either drive, provided I have the space?

[Bkuekanoodle]

same for me. I'm doing backups, probably a good time to do a fresh os x install now that we have a real solution.

i'm not happy about reinstalling os x, but i'm freakin ecstatic that apple released something WITH drivers! OMG PONIES!!

hehe.


Hey, nice ./ reference. :)

[koltz]

Got Half-Life 2 installed and played some of it. Setup all of the video settings to the high end (which was recommend by Half-Life 2) and AntiAliasing to 6x, and rez to widescreen 1440x900. Ran smooth as silk. I am loading Lost Coast right now and will test that out.

Corey

[n8kwx]

I'd really like to buy a laptop (MBP) to replace my 1.6 GHz G5. And I don't want to spend $1000 on a PC to play ONE dumb (OK, fun) game.

The dual booting is just what I'm looking for.

BUT, does the X1600 have the horsepower for BF2? I've heard it's one of the most demanding games out there as far as graphics cards go.

If it does GREAT! I'll buy the MBP. Otherwise I'll have to wait until they announce the pro desktops (hopefully by summer...)

If anyone can let me know how well it runs I'd really appreaciate it!

Thanks,

Marc

PS. Tell me if you have the 128M or 256M X1600 too...

[Afternoon Delight]

Well, thank the lord. It's been real people.:D

[Spooof]

Well When I saw the Bootcamp post this morning I quickly called the wife for approval (married 16 years so I know better than to just go out and buy gear). Within an hour I was at the mac store purchasing my MBP 2.0GHz. After some chatting I stopped home to pick up my xp disk and headed back to work. The install was easy enough that a monkey to do it.

Presently I am installing HL2 and CSS. It is patching and I expect to be playing within the hour. This is my first MAC and I LOVE IT... Anyone want to buy a dell latitude or a highend gaming machine? (firesale :) )

I am just thankfull that they had MBPs in stock and I did not ahve to wait for a shipment form the apple store.

Cheers I am off to play CSS

PS I have noticed that the bootcamp is a bit flakey when you warm boot from OS 10 to XP. I hve found that it locks up; however when I go from XP to OS 10 I have no problems. Anyone else see this?

[KublaKhan]

Were's the firmware? All I can seem to find is the Intel firmware... I thought Boot Camp would include it but apparently it doesn't. The links posted before don't work either... do you think there's a problem with the firmware if they took it down?

People please don't delete your firmware yet.... other's (like me) might need it.

I hope they update it or make sure the links work for the MacBook Pro firmware update cause otherwise I'm stuck with an error screen that tells me I don't have up-to-date firmware....

Any help would be appreciated...

[greenlight]

Just wanted to pass along that 3dmark05 and 3dmark06 scores are very different. My AMD3500+ with X700 scores 3243 in 05 and 1162 in 06 with identical settings. check the following link. The 4000+ score of the Travelmate 8200 is from the 3dmark05.

can someone try 3dmark05 on the macbook?

Thanx Everyone.
I ordered my MacBook 2ghz yesterday, never owned a mac and looking forward to learning OS X


http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1931&page=3

[rxcited]

I think it is great that Apple has decided to support this. But I am pissed that they didn't announce this in the beginning. They obviously have been working on it and knew about it from day 1, probably a year ago and certainly in January when they announced the Macintels.

It has been a fun ride these last weeks since XOM was released. I have enjoyed being part of the bleeding edge and have reveled in being part of history in the making. But honestly I would have preffered that Apple had stated its intentions in January. I would have waited until now or even until Leopard for dual boot support if I knew it was coming in this more supported and fully functional way by Apple.

It would be nice if the Apple method were more flexible - allowing multiple boot volumes with possibly different versions of Windows or Linux. Maybe this will happen with Leopard? Or maybe the open source option is still alive? :D

[richcine]

some tricks to share with us?

need file modification or not:)

can't wait to try that because i think gma950 should be support by xorg.:)

I dont know if anybody has stated it yet but I have booted a knoppix 4.2 disk now using the new firmware. So it seems that the new firmware includes a CSM.

[bimboles]

I think my 3dmark score on my 2ghz MBP was 2837 on default settings.

[maddox]

Pretty cool!

You can now use a Barts PE CD, put it in the drive, press c while booting the imac. I think Knoppix will work too, i´ll try this. With the firmware update, Apple gave the MacTel an additional bios, so i think every PC Boot-CD will work. Loads of possibilities :)

[michael fortson]

I think it is great that Apple has decided to support this. But I am pissed that they didn't announce this in the beginning.

This couldn't be much farther from what people ought to be feeling right now.

Until this contest, Apple had no intention of releasing something like Boot Camp anytime before Leopard. Even after the contest started, few analysts expected success, and fewer still expected people to be will to jump through the hoops needed to get it installed on their own system.

What they all learned was that:
- people really want to do this
- the effort was successful
- end users would put in the effort, even if it was a sub-optimal (non-Apple-like) experience.

Essentially, Apple finally realized it was going to be happening anyway, with or without their help. So now we have Boot Camp, and normal users can easily install XP.

It's a good thing, and wouldn't have happened without this contest and the publicity it generated. People should be proud.

[Bluey]

I just hope somone or apple find a way to add fast user switching between OS where it sleeps one and you can use the other ...or they pull thier finger out and add Redbox to 10.5 for native windows app support.


has anyone tried a tripple boot using bootcamp ?

OSX
Gentoo
Windohs!

would be my perfect solution.

[marek]

Has anyone gotten the extended desktop (external monitor under MBP) to work?

[marek]

Nevermind, just figured it out. Just settings on the driver itself.

[lothar250]

Movie of MBP running win game (dont know which one)

http://homepage.mac.com/leahyb/.Public/MVI_0524.AVI

NEAT

[KublaKhan]

Apple Stock just increased by 10% after Boot Camp was released... another reason it was a smart move.

[Trombone_Bob]

some tricks to share with us?

need file modification or not:)

can't wait to try that because i think gma950 should be support by xorg.:)
No tricks needed just burn the knoppix disk and hold the c key. I have a mac mini so the gma950 just worked

[Smoothy]

http://www.parallels.com/en/download/
Can someone try this, and see what the speed is like?

Smooth

[celluloid hero]

Argh I'm getting all sorts of weird problems while trying to install Boot Camp.

First the drive wouldn't partition, then I got that working.

I then had Windows copying all it's files to the Windows partition but it kept stopping at certain files and saying it couldn't copy them. I wrote all these down.

Now, when it finished, I loaded the Windows partition by holding option as the computer loaded, and then when it got past the loading screen of Windows, I got a blue screen message telling me there is a Fatal System Error and "The system has been shut down".

Anyone know what the hell is going on?

I expected a 'smooth installation'...

[koltz]

Argh I'm getting all sorts of weird problems while trying to install Boot Camp.

First the drive wouldn't partition, then I got that working.

I then had Windows copying all it's files to the Windows partition but it kept stopping at certain files and saying it couldn't copy them. I wrote all these down.

Now, when it finished, I loaded the Windows partition by holding option as the computer loaded, and then when it got past the loading screen of Windows, I got a blue screen message telling me there is a Fatal System Error and "The system has been shut down".

Anyone know what the hell is going on?

I expected a 'smooth installation'...

Honestly it sounds like your Windows disk is bad (scratched or something). If it isn't copying the files, something is probably blocking the laser from reading the area on the disk.

[celluloid hero]

Okay. I'll reburn and do the whole thing again tomorrow.

thanks koltz, you've been helpful.

[djrobx]

If you get file copy errors, you need a new CD. That said, installation was not smooth on my MBP. Windows hung on the first boot. After rebooting and pickking "normal" from the menu, it came up. It froze one other time once in the windows UI, too. It seems to be stable now that the drivers are installed though. I've seen posts from other people with similar experiences.

[Spooof]

BUT, does the X1600 have the horsepower for BF2? I've heard it's one of the most demanding games out there as far as graphics cards go.



Based on my experience with CS:S last night I think that you would be pushing the system hard to play BF2. I ahve the 2.0GHZ MBP with 256meg video and I was only seeing 75 FPS in CS:S at defualt settings. BF2 would play but would be pretty slow to load. Maybe if you had 2gig of ram it might shorten the load.

I need to spend some more time finetuning the HL2 setup but it will not replace the gaming desktop for sure.

my 2 cents...

[Juneixl]

I know I shouldn't be asking this, but is there anywhere i can get xp (In the format needed for dual-booting)? I still have my activation code. I just need the program again. (Broken CD)

[NetFu]

I know I shouldn't be asking this, but is there anywhere i can get xp (In the format needed for dual-booting)? I still have my activation code. I just need the program again. (Broken CD)

This may not be the answer you want, but assuming you have a legitimately purchased CD Key and need another copy of the CD, you can buy the media for $20-$25 from places like CDW and PC Mall. When we buy licenses at work, we either buy the media or not, and the extra cost is $20-$25.

If that won't work for you, you can buy OEM copies of WinXP from places like Fry's (if you live near one) for a relatively cheap price.

[Spooof]

I know I shouldn't be asking this, but is there anywhere i can get xp (In the format needed for dual-booting)? I still have my activation code. I just need the program again. (Broken CD)

If you have access to news groups you can ask someone to post an ISO for the disk. ie alt.binaries.win.... etc

[DarthOverlord]

I installed Windows on the MBP, how do I boot back into OS X? It keeps going right into Windows XP!!!

[Trombone_Bob]

hold the option key upon reboot and it will give you a menu to choose which partition to boot from. Also in XP under the control panel there is a icon called startup disk. Click that and you can choose to boot XP or OSX

[DarthOverlord]

Thanks. I actually decided to read the pdf from apple. I am an idiot. Just got a little over excited.

[Spooof]

He he I too thought that I messed it all up until I read the pdf myself :)

[glorfindeal]

If you have a friend with the cd, just have him burn you a copy on his mac.


Glor

[Juneixl]

No one I know has the CD. Can anyone here give it 2 me? I'd really appreciate it.