External video w/BootCamp ATI x1600 (MBP or iMac)

[anderkh]

I'm having a hard time getting external video with the bootcamp solution on an MBP. The ATI displays panel recognizes the external monitor (by brand & model, so they're talking) and allows me to expand the desktop, but nothing shows up on the monitor. It works fine in OS X, and I get a mirror of the boot screen on the external when booting XP with the monitor attached.

Has anyone got this working?

Thanks,
Ken

[macorama]

Hello forum,

i don't know how many of you have tried to hook up an external monitor to your Windows XP Pro iMac 20" but in my case (other have experienced the same with different monitors according to this forum) Windows recognizes it and loads the correct drivers but the screen stays black. I'm using the Mini DVI adapter to VGA from Apple. I also installed the Samsung XP drivers and disabled all other "standard VGA monitors" in the hardware panel. No results, no signal.

Anyone experiencing similar problems? Lets get this solved!

:)

[sud0n1m]

Im having trouble with an IBM Monitor - ThinkVision something or other. It isnt DVI so I am using the Mini DVI too. Im going to try with my Samsung Syncmaster w/ DVI when I get home.

[marek]

Just lower the rez on the external monitor to something around 1280x1024 and reboot your machine. After some flicker you will get the second mon.

Mark

[macorama]

I tried that, didn't work :(
Both are showing the windows booting logo until the blue welcome screen shows up. I've tried several resolutions starting with 800x600 up to open end. Just doesn't work on xp. Works finw with osx though.

Any other ideas?

[Mflanagan]

After doing the install only part for the Video Card properties were working correctly.
Try this:
RT click on the “My Computer” Icon select “Manage” then Devices. For the video card it had a “!” next to it. I then uninstall the device the selected find new hardware. After it found the video card it then found the external Monitor. After 2 reboots the external monitor worked fine.

[cyberchriss]

I am using a 17" TFT with DVI and can only run it in 1280x960.
Is there a way to adjust it to 1280x1024?
Seems that ATI-Driver is working in cloning mode.

[anderkh]

I am using a 17" TFT with DVI and can only run it in 1280x960.
Is there a way to adjust it to 1280x1024?
Seems that ATI-Driver is working in cloning mode.

I've heard of other people succussfully using DVI - I'm trying to use analog.

If you're trying to mirror, the MBP flat panel will have trouble with that size. Do you want to extend your desktop, or mirror the MBP display?

[anderkh]

I'm having a hard time getting external video with the bootcamp solution on an MBP. The ATI displays panel recognizes the external monitor (by brand & model, so they're talking) and allows me to expand the desktop, but nothing shows up on the monitor. It works fine in OS X, and I get a mirror of the boot screen on the external when booting XP with the monitor attached.

Has anyone got this working?

Thanks,
Ken

In case anyone is interested, I hooked the MBP up to a DVI monitor and all worked as it should. Then I went back to an analog, and it worked! So, if you're having trouble hooking up to an analog monitor, try a digital first.

Ken

[macorama]

Nope, didn't work. I tried propably 10 different combinations (boot, reboot, unistall driver, reboot, uninstall monitor driver, reboot...) to install the driver and the monitor drivers. There are about 6 standard monitors showing up, plus one plug-and-play and the Syncmaster.

XP boots with both monitors until i restart with the ATI driver. I think the driver just doesn't send a signal to the dvi which the "dvi-to-vga" adapter can use. Cause the external doesn't say "lose connection" its just in standby.

Anyone who has tried the original ati x1600 drivers which don't come with the mac driver pack?

[gygysamurai]

I don't think it's a matter of the DVI-VGA adapter not getting a signal. I've gotten my Acer to work after alot of tinkering, but here's the catch. When my external works, my internal doesn't. I've gotten all kinds of results by changing resolutions, enabling/disabling monitors:

-internal turned off / external turned on and showing the extended desktop only (no taskbar, etc)
-internal turned off / external turned on and showing primary desktop
-internal turned on / external showing nothing but "No Signal"
-internal turned off / external displaying "Input not supported"
-internal turned off / external turned off (haha???)

Who knows? I don't really care for the time being. Most games don't support dual monitors anyways. But for me it's a major hassle because if I boot into Windows with my external plugged in then I get the internal turned off and the external showing only the extended desktop. And since the external isn't the primary screen, i can't access my display controls to change it. So I don't have dual screens in OS X either because plugging it in and out all the time is rather annoying (and probably hard on that little DVI adapter)

I hope a solution is found soon though

[gygysamurai]

Hello!

Let's try to keep this issue together in one treat :)

Find it here http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=788

macorama

This is thread is for Macbook Pro's. The thread you linked to is for iMac's. Same topic, different problems. We should keep them both open ;)

[gFizzle]

I have a 23" Apple Cinema connected to a MBP (2.0 w/ 256MB vRAM) and it works fine with mirror'd and extended display...it doesn't display FULL res.

[race-eendje]

Anyone succesfully hooked up a TV or projector using an DVI to video-adaptor ?

[organik]

DVI to video adapter is a no go on my MacBook - I can see something on the TV, but it's scrambled.

Basically I think the problem is because of the DVI - Vid adapter, the driver is seeing a monitor and not a TV.

[race-eendje]

Correct, althougt it works fine on the MacOSX-side. (offcourse :) )

Any suggestions ? Maybe another driver ?

[macorama]

I was just researching the whole "second monitor issue" and found this statement on the ATI website:

"Secondary Monitor may not be detected with a Radeon X1600"

klick here to see the full statement at ati.com (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=299)

I just wonder if this is a general issue with the X1600 cards. Not just on the Macs. Does anybody know about this with the PC edition card of the X1600?

BTW: What drivers are u using? I'm trying it with the Boot Camp drivers. Any experiences with the Omega drivers?

[Sonic McTails]

I got my MacBook Pro to work with extended monitors in dual screen. It's a 2.16GHz using BootCamp, and the Apple ATi drivers. The problem is that the machine believes it actually has three monitors attacked, one LCD and two CRT/TVs. The problem here is that the video card on the machine actually acts like two seperate video cards, one with VGA and one with DVI. The ATi card misidentifies which one, and fails to initalize it. Here's howto make it work:

1. Connect the other monitor to your machine (I used the VGA-DVI adapter from Apple. Others might work but YMMV).

2. Open Control Panel, Displays.

3. Switch to Settings Tab.

4. (this is important)Double click on Monitor 2. The advanced settings should come up, as well as a bunch of ATI configuration tabs. Click on ATi Displays.

You should see something like this:
(Off) Monitor (On) Monitor
(On) Panel (Disabled) Monitor

Change it to this:
(On) Monitor) (Off) Monitor
(On) Panel)

(the On/Off are actually the green/red icons, but I can't take a screen shot at the moment)

Click apply, and your done. The only issue I have is a small black box in the side of the LCD, but I think that's just a bug from a program I was running. Works great :-)

[macorama]

Hi Sonic McTails,

I've tried what you've reported - doesn't work for me :( I start to believe it maybe has something to do with the actual dispaly connected to it. I got a Samsung SyncMaster 913N. What have you got? Maybe it's somehow related to the specific drivers, DDC, or something :confused:

[thespeculator152]

I have the same problem but I can (using a DVI Monitor) get to see the actual outbut - the only problem is that the output comes out in the same resolution as the Mac Display, which is 1440 by 900 - not very funny when your external monitor is 1280 by 1024.

Any suggestions?

[Sonic McTails]

I have the same problem but I can (using a DVI Monitor) get to see the actual outbut - the only problem is that the output comes out in the same resolution as the Mac Display, which is 1440 by 900 - not very funny when your external monitor is 1280 by 1024.

Any suggestions?

Well, I'm using a Dell DC4000 I think (don't have the manual handle) hooked up by VGA, even though it is a DVI monitor (VGA port on the back to VGA adapter into MBP). I find this setup works better in Windows then Mac OS X because sadly OSX has the menubar at the top and its WAY too easy to miss it. This is the first time I've ever used multiple monitors, and my god, I don't think I'll ever be able to go back!. Anyway, here's an attachment of what the panel should look like:

[macorama]

Hello everyone,

i just found out that Samsung SyncMaster is using an additional pin on the VGA cable - need to get a standard cable and check if it got something to do with this or not.

For everyone who got their VGA monitor working, could you please find out if your cable got an extra pin?

[gygysamurai]

ok, just out of curiousity. is it just us in this thread who have no external video on the imacs? or is this a universal issue?

[macorama]

:) hehe, i start to wonder, too!

[gygysamurai]

*bump*

We can't just let this die, no sir! :p

[deadelvis]

Hi...

I had no problem connecting a Samsung SyncMaster 171s using the DVI to VGA included adapter.

I have had no luck though connecting to a TV using the DVI to SVideo adapter (bought one today at the apple store to try it out). :(

Problem is that the ati driver panel seems to think it is an analog monitor instead of a tv connected. The output signal is then of course all garbled. Changing refresh rates and resolution also produces no result.

Has anyone managed to do it?
Has anyone tried the Omega drivers - www.omegadrivers.net?

I wish there was some app like tvtool - www.tvtool.de - for the ati chips. :(

[wol]

Hmm strange, i followed the usual driver installs when installing XP but i dont seem to have the extra ATI control panel items????

[macorama]

Hello wol. Try to install them again, the ati installer should be in c:/boot camp (not sure, but there is a mac folder in your windows root). btw, that's not the right thread ;)

[wol]

Well strangely enough, once an external monitor is connected i get the extra panels.

It all seems to work, im getting a second monitor on my external screen using the apple DVI convertor.

No massive config changes just:
- Plugged the monitor in (HP L1706) in whilst the machine was on,
- 'Extend my Windows deskop....' under Displays -> Settings in control panel
- Double clicked the 2nd monitor and chose the ATI displays control panel
- Unticked 'Preserve wide aspect ratio on attatched displays'

Cant make a screenshot of my Ati display small enough to upload, but you have to disable the top left monitor and enable the top right and panel.

Hope that helps

[Krevnik]

ok, just out of curiousity. is it just us in this thread who have no external video on the imacs? or is this a universal issue?
I had no issue running a SyncMaster 215TW (one of the newer 1000:1 contrast ratio models) via DVI under Windows. Just had a crash the first time I booted with it connected, and after that, it worked just fine.

[Pezzner]

Good question. I'm having the exact same problem. I'm using an intel mac running boot camp. The mirroring works fine in osx but doesnt work in windows. Thanks for posting this.


I'm having a hard time getting external video with the bootcamp solution on an MBP. The ATI displays panel recognizes the external monitor (by brand & model, so they're talking) and allows me to expand the desktop, but nothing shows up on the monitor. It works fine in OS X, and I get a mirror of the boot screen on the external when booting XP with the monitor attached.

Has anyone got this working?

Thanks,
Ken

[piercehan]

so has anyone solved the whole monitor deal? i have a dell 2007wfp and a 15" mbp. i currently have the omega drivers and the monitor just isnt receiving anything from my laptop ... anyone got some advice?

[thebalaa]

it worked for me after some tinkering.

at fist i just extended my desktop, then i made my lcd my primary monitor for my 15" MBP.


I will write a howto if you guys need. I used the DVI to VGA adapter that comes with the mac mini

"Impossible things are happening everyday."
-Cinderella

[broaddd]

I fiddled around with 'Displays' in the ATI control panels - it seems that when you plug in an external monitor, it starts treating both your MBP's LCD panel and the external as two external monitors. Then you have to click 'on' the two external monitors, and change the '1/2' setting, and then click apply. And after some experimentation, my external monitor came on, but I haven't yet been able to get my MBP monitor to stay on as well.

Damn windows! :-)

[Elwin23]

same as broadd, first it wouldnt work with my 23" Dell screen, some tinkering.. changing... and the 1/2 change in ATI

now it works :)

[cboles]

I have the exact same problem here. I do multi monitor setups with mixed DVI / VGA displays all the time. I'm using a 20" iMac with XPSP2 and a 800x600 VGA LED/DLP projector. I can see that the secondary VGA display is correctly recognized via DDC. Everything works fine in OSX, and the display is active during XP boot, but blank once I'm at the desktop. I've tried various plug/unplug, 1-2 <-> 2-1 switching to no avail. I bought this iMac to use as a demo unit for a conference in two weeks and was told by Apple support that this scenario should work, so I'm a little panicked now...

Colby

I'm having a hard time getting external video with the bootcamp solution on an MBP. The ATI displays panel recognizes the external monitor (by brand & model, so they're talking) and allows me to expand the desktop, but nothing shows up on the monitor. It works fine in OS X, and I get a mirror of the boot screen on the external when booting XP with the monitor attached.

Has anyone got this working?

Thanks,
Ken

[cboles]

Anyone figure this out yet? I've tried getting support for this through Apple and ATI, but both have been painfully inadequate. I'm trying to get help through some ATI employees at Microsoft, but haven't heard back yet....

[cboles]

OK. I was finally able to fix this issue! It was as broaddd said, although for some reason I couldn't get it to work the first time I tried. It is a fun little puzzle. When setting up the (non-working) extended desktop to the VGA port, at the Ati Displays control panel tab, there are 4 items arranged like this:

A B
C D

Where

A is your secondary VGA monitor, which is enabled, but not working
B is some mystery monitor, which is disabled
C is your built in FPD, enabled, and working
D is an additional FPD, which is greyed out

So, to get things working, here's what I had to do:

disable monitor A (click its green corner tab)

then enable monitor B (click its red corner tab)

hit apply

enjoy.

From what I can tell, the two columns of monitors listed represent the two different output heads of the graphics cards. You can only have one monitor on in each column and actually get a usable output.

[agenre]

OK. I was finally able to fix this issue! It was as broaddd said, although for some reason I couldn't get it to work the first time I tried. It is a fun little puzzle. When setting up the (non-working) extended desktop to the VGA port, at the Ati Displays control panel tab, there are 4 items arranged like this:

A B
C D


Lucky you!
Here is my experience on a 20" imac intel duo.
I am trying to connect the di out to a TV through the apple dvi-video out adapter

In my case

A B
C D

are: A - Monitor (icon showing a CRT monitor) this is apparently the external dvi output
B - Display (icon shows a laptop :-( ) this should be the built-in imac LCD
C and D are greyed out and claim to be FPDs

I tried every combination of on/off switching to no avail. (of course I cannot operate the two FPD buttons since they are grey!)

I also found that there is a preset called switch display or something similar with a shortcut coded by alt+F5
In fact this results in turning on one monitor and off the other and vice versa.
It is quite useful since you can get it by pressing alt*F5 wherever you are, with no need to go to the control panel.
ANYWAY it did not work for me, ALTHOUGH when the internal monitor is off and the external is on I DO GET an image of my desktop on the TV, but it is in greyscale and completely misalligned. In fact the TV shows a large black cross in the center of the video with four pieces of desktop one at each corner.
I am almost convinced that the problem is in the way the driver uses the dvi output. Either it does not recognize the apple video adapter (maybe it sends a feedback to OSX to say that's me, the dvi-video, not the dvi-vga?) and thus keeps sending not-properly coded signals through the dvi port, or it does not realize that the external display is a TV. I should try with a monitor, but I don't have it. And I also lack a miniDVI-DVI cable!
But from what's posted in here I reckon the result could just be as negative.

I wonder, who can we contact to try and get this issue fixed? Apple? Bootcamp staff? ATI?
bye
Andrea

[agenre]

Maybe I found where the problem really stands:
see this:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304170

Bootcamp 1.1 does not support external video adapters.

At least now we know who to address the question.
bye
Andrea

[JeffEmbracedDC]

Hey guys. I have also had this problem on my 17" MBP using Boot Camp 1.01 Beta. I wrote a little tutorial on how I got mine to work.

http://embraced-dc.com/articles/1/

Hope it helps someone. Later, guys.

-J

[Vatako]

Something NEW?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=248838

[dnev1]

Hi!...

I'd posted a fix that worked for me on a 17inch macbook...use the ATI drivers from the original boot camp version. I installed the latest version of book camp..then went back and reinstalled the video drivers from the initial offering..and no problem. Don't use "extend desktop" in windows..go to the ATI advanced settings on your main monitor and clone or whatever from there.. it's worked for mine and a friends..hopefully for yours...

dnev1

[Vatako]

I tried Omega drivers, BootCamp driver and nothing... I haven't this function in ATI Advanced settings....

http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=atihb1.jpg

This is with Omega drivers but BootCamp drivers are same!